I moved to Linux entirely because of how shit Windows is, but I do not, in general, get higher fps. It’s very case-by-case, but in general, my performance seems to be ever so slightly worse.
I probably hate Microsoft roughly as much as most people here but in a lot of ways Windows is way more polished than Linux. The second you try something “unconventional” in Linux the shit is going to hit the fan. Fractional scale DPI - half the apps crap their pants. On screen keyboard - and don’t get me started with OSK over Firefox in kiosk mode (for example in touch screen settings). Also try to make a custom shortcut on your gnome desktop to run some application with some arguments without writing config files in random directories you have to Google and reloading some configs via a terminal.
Microsoft really went downhill fast and certainly adds a lot of crap to windows lately, but sadly in the Linux world we don’t have 1-3 well polished distros, we have hundreds of them. All good at one or two things, but suck at everything else. There a so many options the choice alone is probably the biggest reason everyday people will not switch to Linux if their device doesn’t already come with Linux. Even people thinking about switching end up with analysis paralysis because everybody tells them stuff like, try it - if you don’t like it try something else. As if they have nothing better to do than trying Linux distros all day long.
This is exactly the type of shit I’ve been trying to explain to the Linux fanboys for years and all of them dismiss outright.
Until simple shit like this is easy for the average person, Linux will never replace Windows as a default OS option for regular users. 99% of people are scared of config files and the terminal, and they’re still just too commonly needed in every distro.
A LOT of work has been done to minimize it, but there’s always still basic functionality that just isn’t in the GUI. That’s not an issue for most of us here… But it is for most people. Fediverse users are a small minority.
Yup. Hi. I’m one of those people. Everytime I’ve tried to use Linux in the past has come with a massive headache and constant googling to figure out the bare minimums. Windows? Literally holds your hand and just works. Any issues I’ve had with windows I can solve in a single google. I’ve got to delve into obscure forums and try to piece shit together on my own for Linux and I am not about to make my home PC a fuckin homework problem just to use.
You would have to run OpenSUSE tumbleweed to get the GUI equivalent of windows configuration.
Yast has a GUI app for everything from Samba setup to Bootloader config.
The trouble is: initially there is a learning curve to SUSE that is different than something like Mint
What do you use the terminal and config files for? I mainly use bazzite now but after a fresh install the most I do is login to steam and change some settings in Firefox. I copy paste my directory settings for imports on darktable to point to my nas but thats probably the most advanced thing I do
It’s funny, i use both. Work is Windows, Linux at home.
90% of troubles literally come down to what you are used to and expect. I have had hundreds of problems assisting with company IT that I never would have had on Linux. People just ignore it or write it off as “expected”, but when something they doesn’t work on linux, they go crazy and say that Linux just doesn’t work. Windows has just as many basic functionality things that don’t work, if not more.
Linux isn’t perfect, but work is being done to fix it, where in windows, the support tells you to fuck off, try the only 2 GUI tools they have, then enter random command line commands and if that doesn’t fix it, fuck off.
Examples:
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Searching in the start menu literally won’t return the program if the program doesn’t start with what you are searching instead of simply “contains” like every other search on earth
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File search in fundamentally garbage on windows compared to Linux (both GUI). Not to mention that until last year there was no option to find where the fuck the file was in windows without ending the search and having to start the search over (hell on network shares). Luckily it has gotten better
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One drive forcing itself as default, sync problems, losing files, etc… That often has to be fixed through powershell. Not to mention lying to you that files are synced when they are not.
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Teams silently installing a random DLL that causes teams to bootloop endlessly, no resources online about it until last year late where you had to manually console command your way out of it via powershell
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Microphone completely just not working at all. No possible way to re-enable it via settings, control panel, manual controls, registry, etc… It wasn’t broken. Microsoft secretly disabled it in the background and you had to install the old version of the audio troubleshooter because their new one is AI slop and it would say “oh it was disabled, I will re-enable it” when literally every single other tool in windows said it was enabled and working fine. This was a problem with >10% of people. Again, the GUI wouldn’t fix it until you downloaded a sketchy old version of a troubleshooter.
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installing windows without internet working. They are making it almost impossible, actively. Literally the single most basic thing
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Microsoft office being layered on top of each other all in one gigantic pile because one font was installed from a path that it didn’t like this brought PowerPoint in my old company to a halt for days
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Font blurring when moving windows between monitors (especially PDFs). Linux doesn’t have this problem that I have seen. Windows fonts look like smeared shit after dragging them from screens of different sizes
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If one single file has an issue in one single office project e.g. a warning dialog open or a frozen excel window, all office programs are no longer able to be closed, and often even interacted with. That is like the basic of the basic of having multiple program instances open. I have seen unorganized people with 10 excel instances open literally have to restart their computer because no office windows will respond enough to even find the problem instance
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Update hangs and failures are a daily occurance in windows. I haven’t had an update fail for years in Linux and when it did, it said “this is why” where windows just says “try again” and keeps failing. Basic basic functionality.
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pathing are the worst thing ever in windows. You have import library after library to get windows paths to work in different codebases where in Linux it just works.
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windows and printers… You know how everyone has problems with printers? Yeah, a lot of that is from windows shit printer drivers. With Linux, I haven’t had a print job fail in years. In windows, sometimes it will serially send a PDF to the printer, corrupt itself, and balloon the 10MB PDF size to 10GB and overload the printer until you have to hard reset it.
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windows constantly resets your printer settings in word, even after you manually set printer settings in the OS. How many times people have printed double sided because auto-switches back after you change it. That is so basic.
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SVChost or “system interrupts” eating 60-90% CPU for minuten on end where there are no programs running, making everything work extremely slowly and lag all over the place with no way to fix it.
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not going to sleep. Windows sleep is so damn broken ever since they fucked with sleep levels. My new work laptop will literally sleep and turn itself off after a few hours (only if it is plugged in) so I have to unplug it before leaving. My old one with the exact same power settings works fine. Not to mention with modern sleep, laptops will just turn themselves on in a backpack and overheat and dump their battery to 0 for no reason. Windows had sleep right in 7 and then decided to completely break it all and increase power consumption 100x for 1s faster wakeup times… In Linux. If you tell it to go to sleep, it goes to sleep and doesn’t wake up until you wake it up.
I could go on for an hour, literally.
These are very basic functionality that is critically broken or hot garbage and just works on Linux. Again, there are tons of things wrong in Linux too like other users have mentioned, it comes down to the problems the individual user is used to having and living with.
People are learning to deal with a different set of broken things and problems while not seeing the previous problems they had to deal with invisibly just work (because that is how the human brain works).
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This is a big reason why most won’t switch. Linux can be difficult to get started with and Windows really makes things a lot easier for the average person.
I tried to switch over to Linux this weekend, I gave up and switched back to Windows last night. I’m not completely computer illiterate, I know how to fix things enough that my colleagues often ask me (the administrative assistant) about simple stuff before going to IT.
I really like the Linux environment and I found alternatives to my frequently used programs, but the one thing I really use my computer most is to play World of Warcraft. I spent hours trying to get it working and I couldn’t. I don’t understand the terminal stuff, GitHub is confusing, and there are so many obscure forums with info I don’t understand. With Windows, the install is incredibly simple and I had my previous setup running within 2 hours.
I WANT to switch to Linux, but until I can run wow a lot easier, it looks like I won’t be. I’m not fully giving up on Linux, it just won’t be on my main machine.
It’s really similar to a conversation I had with a classmate on Android vs iPhone. He just didn’t get why I have an iPhone; “Android is more open”, “you have more options”, etc. I had to explain that it just works; I get a new phone when my old one is no longer supported, then all I have to do is sign in and my phone is back to where it was. Yes, it’s a walled garden, yes there are things Apple does that I don’t like, but the phone itself is simple and easy to upgrade. It just works.
You say Linux, but I think you’re talking about Gnome specifically. I’d recommend trying KDE and seeing how it handles your problems. You can install multiple DEs and see what works best for you.
I get what you are saying and maybe I’ll find some time to do that, but I hope you also see the irony in an answer like that, because the typical user couldn’t care less about Gnome vs KDE.
God forbid you should have options.
The typical user couldn’t care less about Windows VS Linux, but it makes it difference. I don’t know that it fixes the issues, but it might. It’s also an option you have because you’re on Linux, not Windows. You get a choice, and can figure out what works for you. It isn’t ironic, because that why you choose Linux. If you don’t want a choice and just want the garbage MS puts out, you don’t need to make any more choices. If you want options then you need to actually make choices too (though most aren’t permanent, like DEs, and you can swap between them).
I was about to comment the same - shitting itself when trying to do something nonstandard is a Gnome thing, not a Linux thing :^)
I also fully understand that new users are not aware of what the different components are and “what they do” (how they influence the UX) but they very much do make or break their “Linux experience”. Personally I dislike Gnome because it exposes barely any settings, and it’s “simple” to the point where it feels almost like a toy to me - kinda like macOS feels. Some people might be looking for that, and I don’t judge them, but I think it’s important to make an informed decision on simplicity and “guardrails” vs flexibility and customization. The same goes for immutable vs “traditional”, rolling vs releases, etc.
You don’t need to care about or understand the details, but the choice that the “Linux ecosystem” offers is one of its best parts, and understanding the implications of the ones you make is very important. It also helps avoid getting frustrated in “Linux can’t do this” situations by knowing that maybe it’s just your environment - believe me, unless it’s about running some proprietary code that the vendor is uncooperative about, “Linux” can do it. It might require some lines of code to glue together some pieces, but the “computing” things that “Linux can’t do” are very close to 0.
I was going to reply with this:
Gnome
Ahh.
When I mentioned that there are too many/ummecessarily many different distros, i got downvoted sadly. But I think we would have soo much better of a user experience if there would be only 3 big distros or something.
In a well-optimized case, Linux will consume fewer resources and is more effective at task prioritization, so it will be better. If Windows outperforms Linux, it is due to the game optimizing around Windows. Granted, across the entire suite of games, the two tend to cancel each other out rather equally.
I experience no worse fps than I would on windows. I have star citizen running better on linux then I did on the same windows machine. To each their own I guess.
I just reinstalled COD WWII recently and it really does run like shit. Framerate problems that need restarts, poor performance, the sound cuts off if it’s through HDMI for some reason.
Did they ever fix the RCE exploit in WW2?
What’s that?
It tends to be AMD GPUs that have the greatest differences in favour of Linux (except for ray tracing but that is improving in recent driver releases).
I think Intel too - in other words, the Nvidia Linux driver sucks as we’ve always known. And as long as they refuse to either put effort into it or let the community see and fix their code it’s unlikely to change
In my experience, windows made gaming almost impossible. Stuttering and crashes and sometimes even ARTIFACTS were a constant. But Linux just works OOTB
Hot and miss for sure. I have had games run better than on windows, and also worse. But there are too many other pros to running Linux to make me happy I’m not running windows.
Do you have a Nvidia GPU btw?
Linux has two major offerings for display servers: X11 and Wayland.
X11 is old asf and uses TCP/IP to send your data from the GPU/CPU to the monitor.
Wayland doesn’t do this I don’t think… But I believe it’s been known to have issues with Nvidia graphics cards.
Hope Wayland development picks up because last time I checked it still has a lot of bugs that X11 just doesn’t.
Most things seem to run fine for me on linux, but sadly Elden Ring runs a good 10 fps slower than it ran on windows for me.
Title implies a big move, pretty far from the steady growth their sources say and that they explain throughout the article. But I guess a more honest title like “Linux among gamers sees new record after continuous steady growth” isn’t as click-worthy.
PC Gamers keep Abandoning Windows 11 for Linux with Higher FPS & Fewer Interruptions
Why the hell is Gates on that image?? The guy stepped down as a CEO 26 years ago, and left the board of directors six years ago.
The enshittification is all Nadela’s baby.
Did you ever use windows before XP?
Friend, I used computers before DOS.
So “the year of the Linux desktop” is just around the corner? Again?
… and all it took was to wait for windows to become unbearably shitty?
It was always going to. People are fundamentally lazy. Until something becomes a need, far too many are going to sit around and whine instead.
Leave it to Linux bros to shit on people who are finally moving to Linux.
I’m not shitting on “people moving to linux”. I’m shitting on people in general, and you know I’m right, so get out of here with this accusatory misreading trash.
The primary reason I do not want to move to Linux is because I do not want my home PC to contain homework problems for basic usage. People can say it’s gotten better all they want but not by enough. I have to google constant shit to figure out the basics. But the secondary reason is that Linux fanboys are typically unbearable. It’s just hatred and bickering. Either they’re bitching at Windows or they’re bitching about another Distro or bitching about something else. I don’t want to deal with this shit everytime something goes wrong in Linux and I have to go figuring out what happened. If I use Windows the only shit I’ll get are from Linux bros whining. Anyone else using Windows will just shrug. Linux bros feel way too culty for me to ever engage in the operating system.
It is true, and it’s how I got pushed toward Linux after W10 update turned my wife’s laptop into an unusable OS, and my work update made our CAD software noticably slower. Linux on both machines brought life back to them.
Every year is the year of Linux. :-)
Even if Windows became so shitty, people would rather move to MacOS than they would to Linux.
I honestly hated W11 so much that I jumped onto Linux whether I’d be gaming on it or not.
It runs great, but even if it didn’t I wouldn’t go back.
Tossed SteamOS onto my Legion Go last week, and the performance is sooooo much better. I was beginning to wonder why they used such a sharp resolution screen on it because Windows wouldn’t run games very well at the max resolution.
What in the fake news is this source ??
I feel like if you made a Venn diagram between Lemmy users and Linux users, it would just be a circle. I say this as also a Linux enjoyer.
I don’t see what relevance that comment has to mine. Why did you write this?
I’m a lemmy user, I don’t currently use linux. So your point is not correct.
More importantly, I wasn’t saying anything about linux users, I’m pointing out the the source that was posted is a blogspam non-reputable source.
I don’t think i was very clear. What i meant to say is that the type of people to find and engage in niche online communities that relate to tech are going to be significantly more likely to use an operating system different than the average person, thus Lemmy users, who often advocate for freer consumer technology as the existence of this platform is mostly a protest against major social media sites. These consumer freedom tech communities will always be biased towards Linux and could create circlejerks where we convince eachother we are on the right side of things. Last asterisk, i know most users here are still windows or mac users. But instead of Linux users being 2% of the community like in the real world, we could be 25% instead, thus greatly exaggerating real life support.
i’ve just installed cachy, yesterday. been working fine so far. I can even double click to install .exe files, but… it didn’t handle installing battle.net that well, so… i had to do it manually, but that worked fine.
So far no issues. Fast, and easy. even more customizable out of the box, than windows.
if you haven’t tried it, i highly recommend you give it a go. it’s free.
I’ve been using CachyOS for a few months now and it’s mostly been great, and so so much better than Windows.
I should probably just try to run .exe installers more. That might solve some of the challenges I’ve had with the transition, particularly since getting devices working correctly in my Windows virtual machine while still keeping full functionality in Linux has been challenging (webcam, sound, microphone, mouse4/5 and dpi buttons).
Docker has solved my biggest other challenges, for apps that have a Docker image anyway. They just work.
I’d love to roll back to Linux but my GPU and the drivers don’t get along very well.
i made the switch to linux about 2 years ago(2024,stopped dual booting on dec 2024), so far it has been ok (except for one hiccup where My TF2’S fps would tank but there is a workaround, i use Nvidia),apps are okay but i hate how basically the only option you have is GIMP, which i dont like how it doesnt have Content-Aware Scaling i think its called?,shapes would be nice too but its optional, i just use photopeas for the time being)
and video games:
i mainly avoid kernel level anticheat things so its really good here.
Proton/DXVK is very good and nice,but it would be nice if game devs made native Linux versions.
and GNOME 49 looks really nice i love the UI/UX,CachyOS is also a nice Distro(i did try Arch but mehh probably not for me i did install the de and utils but disk stuff was annoying),BTRFS is really handy and nice(i love snapshots).
devices i run desktop Linux on:
I3 12100F + GTX 1650 + 16GB RAM (gaming pc)
Raspberry pi 5 8GB ram (backup/home server pc, running debian/armbian with ext4 on this though)the only option you have is GIMP
I’d say that’s hardly the only option but surely the most well-known.
Does krita fit your purposes?Does krita fit your purposes?
ohh yeah,i didnt mention/dont use it cause its more meant for “art” then “image manipulation”
You couldn’t pay me to move to Linux.
Why?
Linux Bros are the most intolerable group of technousers on the internet. The constant bickering at literally every OS outside of Linux and then the endless bitching inside of it about which distro you should use. Then there’s the fact that Linux is not remotely intuitive to use and everytime I’ve tried to switch in the past just requires constant searching of obscure forums to get the information that I need on how to run what I’m trying to, only to be met with the same whiny bullshit about using the wrong distro or not doing something the right way.
The OS is a nightmare to use for people who don’t want to have to learn everything over from scratch, something that Linux users seem incapable of grasping, and the people using it have never once made me feel like I am welcome to using it but that I should avoid them at all costs.
That’s why you couldn’t pay me. Because then I’d have to be dealing with sycophants.
“I don’t like the most outspoken people who like it” isn’t exactly a rational reason to inform one’s choices in Tech, more so given that you don’t actually have to be in contact with such people to use that Tech.
It’s like refusing to play a single player game because there are fanboys for that game on the Internet.
If making your choices by following a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the most low-self confidence imature thing one can do, making your choices by setting yourself in opposition to a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the second most low-self confidence imature thing one can do.
Why the fuck should you care about their opinion either way? They do they, you do you.
I’d like you to go ahead and read my comment again so you can see the other reasoning there too instead of just hyper focusing on one part and neglecting the rest.
Or don’t. Could not give less of a fuck.
Ima do me. You do you.
Thanks for the honest explanation.
