Thank God Pierre Pollivre wasn’t elected or this would be a much different story.
We would already be the 51st state.
He’d bend over and ask for Canada to take more. Nothing I’ve read from him sounds like a proper leader of this country. He’s as whiny as a toddler like the neighbor’s ‘leader’. Calling that thing a leader is laughable, he couldn’t lead a train on the track unless there was a pile of gold in sight.
PP at the world economic forum:
GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GAH… We need to support our allies in seizing Greenland GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
He wouldn’t even have been there (nor any other CPC MPs). He wants to be Canada’s Trump so bad but he’s so bad at it that he’s somehow even less likable than the actual demented fascist child molester himself
At some point during the speech this popped in my head:
I just cannot imagine the world of shit we’d be living in if he had won the election. Even since, he’s contributed absolutely nothing to the political discourse in this country. And he’s changing seats, again.
(And I know Draper is an asshole, I just mean the whole vibe is what came to mind. I don’t think I’ve heard Carney even mention Polievre since letting him have a seat with the by-election).
We’d probably invade Greenland ourselves if he did lol.
Thank God he didn’t win.
It was nice to read the speech. I approve of Carney’s message. Here were some lines I found humorous:
Nostalgia is not a strategy
If we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu
We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values but also the value of our strengthI wish he was less of a, you know, investor capitalist, but his take on international relations is a wonder to behold. This speech basically boiled down to his election speeches, calling out the US, and telling the world that the Big Fish are nobody’s friend, and that the rest of us need to partner up and stop competing with each other to simp for the Americans.
He basically declared that the American Empire is over, and we’re done acting as a vassal state.
Fucking wild. I never thought I’d live to see the day.
Rather poetic less than 24 hours after Trump paraded out a map with American flags over Canada, Greenland, and Venezuela.
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This was a historic speech and I sincerely hope the European leaders get the message. It was also very surprising to hear him lay bare the problem with the old world order and talking about a new one that would live up to its ideals. There is more to Carney than I thought.
I still oppose many of his domestic policies that I consider too right wing. But that’s what a democracy is about.
I watched the whole speech. I am so proud to be Canadian!! I love that we have an educated, worldly, Prime Minister. He’s fucking amazing!
There is more to Carney than I thought.
Having read his book before the election, this is exactly who I expected when I voted.
He is good at saying the right thing, and I think this was a significant speech historically. But Carney is a conservative neoliberal and will act like one. Canada needs to be forming new alliances and other countries need to realize they should do this too. He’s right about that. But internally Canada will become weaker and weaker without left social policies, and history shows that if you immiserate the people in a time of stress, you increase the appeal of fascist demagogues. Traitors like PP are standing by to take over when the people are desperate enough. Though Carney is far smarter and bolder than Keir Starmer, domestically he is taking the same risk of handing to country to the fascists by offering nothing for ordinary people who are struggling.
This was a profound speech. There was a lot to it. Declaring the death of the liberal international order with less than shining obit being one example. That was a very powerful statement. More than that though, he has been gradually laying down pieces of a framework for working back towards a world order we might want to see. Can we do it without the US smashing it all up first? Very uncertain. Still, can’t fault Carney for taking the position he has. He’s supposed to be a leader, it’s a time when leadership is desperately needed, and he is stepping up as a leader.
I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…
However, this was a profound speech, and I would say one of Carney’s best since his election as Prime Minister. A great leader recognizes their own leadership and government’s faults to try and find the best way forward.
It wasn’t an example of a corrupt regime, though, but of a failed one. The soviet union failed to live up to the promise of workers uniting for collective ownership, and it was failing as a dictatorship. The sign in the window here is not pretending a corrupt regime wasn’t corrupt, but that a crumbling regime wasn’t crumbling.
The current world order has been crumbling for some time. No one on the world has been willing to say so. He turned around and said “let it”.
Yes, reading it charitably, the lie in the sign was the pretence that the government truly fought for the workers rather than looking after themselves.
I know that many here and myself included, don’t appreciate his anti-worker example of the “Workers of the World Unite” being used as the lie of a corrupt regime…
That was my first thought, why the fuck did he have to dismiss and disparage workers from the very start of his speech? Then I remembered, he is a banker, he serves the bankers, and bankers have no use for workers except to bleed them dry.
It is encouraging that he recognizes SOME of the failures of the current system, but he ignored the rise of fascism world-wide, and still thinks everything will be fine if we just have more militarism and capitalism.
Reading it charitably, I think the point was that they stuck to the slogan (a perfectly noble one) as an expression of support for the government, long after it had become clear to everyone that the government wasn’t serving the workers any more, if it ever truly had been. Similarly, the rules-based international order is a noble idea that everyone still voices commitment to, though everyone has known for a while that it has nothing to do with what the imperial USA and its vassal states really do.
I think he’s just a capitalist banker with agenda to push capitalist friendly policies but in the context of how he compares it to rules based order (a potentially good thing) I don’t think this is what he meant. He says we pretend we have rules based order because it was a good thing even though we know at heart that strong powers can act outside the rules. The shop owners pretend the workers are united (a good thing) even though they know the government is corrupt and does not support the workers.
Wow, I can’t believe I’m about to say that I like what this banker just said.
But uhh, I think I like what this banker just said.
I especially like his emphasis on truth, not an angry shouting of truth, but a refusal to be silent about the falsehoods. Take the signs out of the windows.
If you’ve only read the headlines and not read the actual speech , you’re missing out on a lot of important details.
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The man for the times.
I think he’s saying nice words, but I’ll believe them when I see actions. I should preface this with, I understand running a country is like sailing a massive ship. It takes time to correct course. Additionally, it would be great if they worked with the NDP and seemed like they cared more lol.
Canada keeps tip toeing around the whole Palestinian genocide. I assume because it’s largely american backed, but if what he says is true, then I would like to see them speak up more. They talk about Greenland and Ukraine but it would be nice for them to…be equal.
Additionally in terms of the economy, we might be largely well educated but many of the people I know have degrees, diplomas and even masters and have had a hell of a time finding worthwhile work (if any) for the past 6 years. Some have had better luck than others, but like…damn it doesn’t seem like we’re prospering here. Cost of living has skyrocketed. My outlook for the future isn’t looking great. I largely have no idea if I’ll be living comfortably in a decade or be worse off. It’s difficult if not impossible to plan for a future.
Not a fan of this guy’s domestic policy but at least he’s pragmatic enough to see the writing on the wall.
“Welcome to the club”
- the global south
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This is exactly what I like to hear. The oligarchs that have made a mockery of my country’s democracy need to be put in their place. They’ve been parasites to our nation for far too long.
