I’m pretty sure that’s a reference to the midterm elections in November 2026
I’ve just read the letter. Please, let’s not spread misinformation, things are bad enough as is.
The letter demanded the voter database, among a couple of other sensitive databases. It never said ICE would leave if they comply. It only promised that peace would return to the streets, whatever the hell that means. I highly doubt they mean withdrawing ICE, especially considering they keep painting them as completely peaceful, and considering they demand a shit ton of cooperation in that letter as well, essentially letting ICE in everywhere. So in fact, it’s almost the opposite - they demanded that and also demanded more access for ICE.
Thank you for the clarification and suggestion, but this does not constitute misinformation, as I see it. The Orange Turd’s camp are characteristically incoherent. You interpret Bondi’s incoherence in a different but valid way. What they are communicating they will do if given the voter database is less important than their interest in forcibly obtaining the voter and other databases - and the linkage of this interest with ICE’s presence in MN. Please let me know if I’m off the mark here; if this is misinformation and should be removed
You’re right. I’d bet what they mean to say is that peace would return to the streets because they’d get rid of all dissenters.
I think ots a fumbled / heavy handed attempt to portray Waltz as promoting violence.
In the same way that Ukraine could and the Russia conflict by capitulating.
I hope there’s a world where thos matters and they all eat shit and face consequences.
Like, this should be cut and dry.
Oh, and also Trump’s latest comments on tariffs on Canada follow the same pattern, first it was"fentenyl", now they’ve dropped the veneer forgetting that national security arguments were the only argument they had to justify things.
To me that says they’re either wildly overconfident or know they’ve got the supreme court by the balls.
I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That’s dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.
Mainstream traditional and social media have devolved to simply publishing verbatim what the fascists say without offering any kind of context or evaluation of, say, the truthfulness of the statement-now-headline.
I agree with you all around otherwise. I just don’t think this behaviour rests on overconfidence or an appraisal of riskiness via the SC. I think it’s psychologically must deeper, and recognizing this will help us deal with them better
I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That’s dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.
But it nicely fits an adjacent conservative mindset: “We need laws to keep bad guys (others) from doing bad things, not to prevent good guys (us) from doing good things.”
It’s not that they view them as arbitrary signs of power to aspire to, it’s that those things really do work well to manipulate others into doing what you want. Detaching a victim from reality - making them instead blindly believe what you say - turns them into a very useful tool. Usually people have a conscious and don’t want to manipulate others to get ahead, but there will always be some who simply don’t care, and they end up being the ones to amass more power and influence than their peers as a result.
I think it’s even more than just they see them as signs of power. I think continuously ramping things up is power. If the last thing wasn’t enough to stop them, what’s one more step? This continues ad infinitum. They keep ratcheting up, and there’s nothing to bring it back down.
State should send along the voter rolls.
Printed on paper and with first names, last initial, the ward/district they live in and no party affiliation and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database… or better yet, send the paper lists with the names redacted with sharpie markers, and leave the party affiliations. use old school printouts that are photocopied (and send those) so no one can hold the paper up to the light to see what’s under the redactions…
Deflect and use Trump’s own words about the Epsteinn files to justify “…following in President Trump’s bold leadership style…”
Time to out Trump the decrepit old fucker.
and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database
Little Bobby Tables, we call him.
Malicious compliance
They never said they wanted their current database.
Oooooo! Bold move sending historic data… I like it!
Of course it’s not about immigration. If it were about immigration, they’d be in Texas and Florida. You know, states with large numbers of immigrants. Minnesota has a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants as those states, and it’s physically large. Very inefficient use of person-power for actually doing their stated job.
Sorry for the dumb (not Form the US) question: Which information is in a voter database?
Name, address, party affiliation, prolly some more identifying information.
FWIW, voters in Minnesota do not register a party affiliation. (It varies by state.)
No democracy in the world should have a voter database with party affiliations. WTF USA?!
They do make it giving easy to register, so expect diaper squadron to find a way to fuck that up…
thanks. Party affilation sounds scary in this scenario.
Happily, Minnesota does not collect this information. In primaries, you get a ballot with all the parties on it, you pick one to fill out and leave the rest blank.
Wtf? Why is this stuff even collected? Aren’t elections supposed to be anonymous?
No, a lot of information about elections is actually public. Who you vote for is very secret, but your name, address, and the fact that you did or did not vote is often either public or available on request. This is important because if it was just a totally secret thing, there’s not much stopping a corrupt election official from dumping as many fake ballots into the total as they like or filling out ballots for people that didn’t show up.
not much stopping a corrupt election official
In my country, the election officials are thoroughly watched and from various parties to ensure they keep each other in check. It would be near impossible to sneak in extra ballots (at least, a significant amount of ballots that would actually make a difference). There is a voter register but everyone is on that list, you don’t need to register to vote.
Dictionary definition of terrorism:
(Noun) the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
If they want voter information don’t they just ask Microsoft? Or Facebook? Or Google/Amazon/Apple? Pretty sure any one of them are more than capable of supplying far more detailed information than a state government.
Pretty sure they don’t have everything. And even if they did, what they probably want more than anything is submission. If they can get a state to hand over that kind of highly sensitive information they are sending a signal they can coerce anyone to do anything.
Weird ass thing to do.
Minnesota has paper backed electronic voting.
There’s not a lot he can manipulate with that.
My bet is data mining for state subsidy reasons. Or just a “tough guy” approach to intimidation.
Intimidating certain voters not to leave their homes and go vote, obstructing voters, detaining them - lots of non-electronic ways to manipulate an election
He knows which neighborhoods to bomb.
He knows which houses to send the secret police to to beat, threaten, or murder.
He knows which people to force private companies to bankrupt to put them into poverty.
There is a ton that he can do with that information.
Still tells you where the concentration is highest for ‘unfavorables’. After that a dragnet makes short work.
As a non American I have to ask: What the hell is a voter database? :o
A list of people eligible to vote in an election
Why do they want this?
It usually lists known party affiliations and who people voted for that cycle.
It’s an extermination list.
Wtf is there a voter database?
They are running this country like a pawn shop.
Why are they even asking; can’t “big balls” just lift them?
MAGA cannot be considered human beings. They won’t leave the state if you bow to their corruption and give them voter rolls. They will just ask for something else.
Dehumanizing dangerous idiots and even down right evil selfish people is still wrong even if they are a dehumanizing cult faction. And it still ends in a net negative for humanity. That does not mean there is not justified consequences for people that cause harm.
Many of the MAGA people I’ve talked to irl are really really dumb and gullible in general, if it’s not MAGA it would be something else. People in power are using that as an attack vector to gain power.
Fascism has always been a movement of near slighted weaponized stupidity
Agreed…it def was ulterior motives from get.
Oddly, the right wing wont complain about this.
