Just to mention it: I still don’t like Systemd.
I’m with you on that, it’s massively over complex, intrudes into systems it has no place in, and has way too many bad design choices. The designers made the fundamental mistake of wanting it to do everything okish, rather than one thing well. The worst part is that pretty much everything people poibt to as benefits could have trivially been added to tools like sysvinit and rsyslogd.
It’s probably a lost cause, and I don’t think there are many of of us left who remember how to work with the tools that embody the “do one thing, well” philosophy, or how that led to stable, predictable, and easy to manage systems.
It’s vastly superior to the systems it replaced
It really isn’t. It feels fancy and like it does allsorts of clever stuff, but actually what you have is a massively over complex architecture, a non-deterministic (or perhaps a better term would be unpredictable) boot order, binary logging, excessively verbose configuration, and still some fundamental bugs in important daemons. You can fix almost all of that, but you shouldn’t have to. We had a solid, simple system before, now we have an over complex mess.
And everything it touches, it feels like it does differently just to be incompatible and extra, and like it goes out of its way to obfuscate everything to force you to use their programs to configure it rather than config files
I notice a lot of the Linux community tends to dislike things that makes life easier for users.
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It’s amazing that this is now a downvoted opinion.
The overall concept seemed fine, but it’s mired in some truly dogshit design decisions.
Binary logging is some of the most asinine shit I’ve ever had to deal with on Linux (and yes, I know you can change it, but it being the default behavior is beyond absurd).
So, basically, they want to do to Linux what google is doing to android and tried to do to web. No, thanks.
In what sense?
They want to create a mechanism for software to determine on which system it allows a user to run itself. Google “play integrity” on android and google’s proposal for web integrity API.
Good luck. Take away the main reason people move off Windows to begin with and see how well that goes, especially for alt-init distros.
Well, we have a systemd creator and Microsoft employees here…
They haven’t announced anything other than a vague outline of what they’re trying to solve, it could be implemented in so many ways at this point.
The language used speaks for itself. We already know what “integrity” means in this context.
the company wants Linux systems to be built so their correctness can be explicitly defined and continuously verified.
This does not seem vague to me. It explicitly states what they are creating.
But how it’s implemented means everything. Google’s play integrity is corrupting because it’s designed to lock vendors in to Google’s proprietary ecosystem. You’re not getting that from this ‘language’ alone, it could be the case but it’s a massive leap at this point.
I do not care if it is connected to proprietary ecosystem or not. The freedom to decide what software am I allowed to run on my PC is important for me though. Any system that limits that freedom is evil by definition.
The freedom to decide what software am I allowed to run on my PC is important for me though
I’m right with you there, and it’s proprietary software that threatens that, nothing included in this announcement does though.
What
It sounds like verifying the integrity of servers to me and used by the administrator
So … device attestation … the same shit coming from Google, Microslop and others. At least Poettering is consistent with his shit ideation.
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