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Pretty simplistic. There is a whole system put in place by billionaires and their cronies in order to keep the plebs divided and fighting amongst themselves to distract from the general excesses and depravity of their lifestyle.
turns it works really good with right wingers, because thier beliefs are culture wars stuff from the get-go, just add alitle more hate this race swapped, dei person,etc.
Source? Like, I would love for this to be true. But how do we know it’s true? Surely if it’s so obvious it should be easy to provide one specific piece of evidence, rather than just gesturing broadly at the world and saying “it should be obvious”.
Epstein had a conversation with m00t, and the same day, 4chan put out /pol, the board that infected the rest of the site with the right-wing sentiment it’s currently known for, in addition to being ground zero for basically all conservative neo-nazi culture today.
This among many other things.
I believe this post, like many others are correlating the creation of the /pol/ board on 4chan after moot had a conversation with Epstein or something.
Acting like /pol/ and 4chan is solely responsible for the entire situation is just a vapid braindead take, much less the idea that a political board on a popular forum hangout is some meniacal master plan…
Obviously all this Epstein shit is heinous af, but acting like he’s the origin of all evil just fucking hilarious “this is your brain on religion” logic. That being said, Epstein would definitely make a good “Satan’s avatar” in a story…
Firstly, what do you mean solely responsible, secondly, groypers, pepe the frog, wojaks, incels, the proud boys, whoever was running Ron Desantis’ media accounts and throwing sonnenrads behind his head in promotional videos, and many people currently working for Trump right now have roots in 4chan.
Frankly, I think you’re getting a bit defensive.
[edit] Oh, I always forget about QAnon. That’s like the first one I should say. The capital riot was QAnon. That’s 4chan, man.
And? 4chan was a shithole. I don’t know why I’d be defensive over it.
I just thinking blaming edgelord neckbeards with terminal online syndrome for the current political landscape is a cop-out and naive at BEST.
If that’s a defensive position to take of 4chan your bar is extremely low.
There is a lot of blame to go around but 4ch was the face of it and the place to foment, it’s not a cop-out to suggest that in the same capacity GamerGate was the direct project of Steve Bannon there is a degree of “culture-bending” by people who see the culture’s stress points. The scars go back to the foundation of the country sure, but people actively work to keep the wounds open and weeping. How do they do that? Were they supposed to take power through one-off wing nuts like Timothy McVeigh, Randy Weaver, William Luther Pierce? Those guys could be incendiary but they couldn’t penetrate the culture itself, the right had to come up with a way to sell their shit in the 21st century. 4chan brought them all onto the information superhighway, merging the culture of Something Awful, Stormfront, and every contrian-filled anime BBS board. It doesn’t all trace back to Epstein but it does all trace back to class war, white supremacy, sex trafficking, and patriarchal chauvanism, and these were the tools available to them.
I think I agree with everything you said except that 4chan was the face of it. Even in the digital realm alone, there are far larger and far more toxic avenues, and one of the largest is staring at most everyone in the face every day. Facebook has been far worse imo than 4chan could ever dream to be, for the very same reasons 4chan is condemned.
I’ll concede that could be my subjective viewpoint tho based on my interactions with both of them.
A cop-out from what?
Appropriately attributing blame to those who perpetuate it. It is possible that 4chan was a useful tool, but 4chan itself is hardly invested it keeping everyone divided to pull people away from actual issues.
They also pale in comparison to the influence political leaders, mass media, and billionaires have.
But the internet is mass media.
Billionaires that want to influence people find them in places like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, and yes, 4chan.
The fact that 4chan is a wild west, rules-less zone is why nazis congregate there the most (or used to, Twitter is basically rules-less now), and that’s why it was able to operate as a cultural think-tank.
I take it back, I don’t think you’re defensive, I think you just find the idea of funny green frogs unraveling democracy too embarassing to consider.
Incels didn’t originate with 4chan, 4chan just gave them a more visible home than they had previously.
Culturally? They absolutely did.
By that logic nearly everything on the internet came from 4chan. Like, substantial parts of internet culture actually started on 4chan and bled outwards from there when the channers interacted with normies.
I don’t understand what you’re saying. “Substantial parts of internet culture started on 4chan and bled outwards,” yes, this is what I’m suggesting.
Any definition in which incels originate from 4chan is so broad as to be meaningless. Basically every single part of Internet culture that didn’t exist prior to 2003 or became more prevalent after 2003 would also originate from 4chan. All of it.
ochestated by RUSSIA mostly, working with the billionaires, almost any comment you see online has been suspected of being a russian bot at some point. and if you look at where the bots are being created, mostly by russian accounts. which is why reddit allows thier history to be hidden now.
The kremlin definitely pushed it because they benefited from it.
But it’s not that simple.
This is more a convergence of the interests of a lot of powerful actors.
That means yes the Kremlin, but to a probably more significant extent, the billionaires, the corporations and much more.
We lost the Cold War, it didn’t end when the USSR collapsed. The task was to destroy the other’s government without incurring nukes and Russia won overwhelmingly.
Though after the Ukraine war seems like China’s the only global winner in all this.
Now replace “anti-woke culture war” with “AI” and it still works
