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They’re worse than conservatives. At least with conservatives you know they’re assholes. Centrists are also assholes but they waste so much time trying to convince people that they’re not.
The problem with Centrists is that they have similar sensibilities as the Left but not the convictions. Neither wants to see homeless people suffer on the streets but Centrists are content with blowing smoke up their own ass (out of sight out of mind) while the Left will insist on providing housing.
In a sane country, centrism means you still support universal healthcare. Obviously not in the US and overtime less and less in other countries.
Centrism is a myth, it’s right wing for people too afraid to call themselves as such. You can’t sit in the middle of capitalism. You are either for or against it.
Let’s look at French centrism, the proposed 2026 budget included funding cuts for healthcare. It was only after protest and having to negotiate with left parties that they saw an increase. If left to their own devices, centrists would eventually and slowly kill of healthcare through a million tiny cuts. Centrists don’t support it, it’s just bad optics for them to be visibly against it.
Hey now, I’m a centrist!
I’m just the center of the left. You know, where respect for humanity exists.
(i couldn’t resist, sorry)
I’m tired of playing nice with people who are okay with a system that outright kills people and needs them to die to be the lubricant in its gears.
But left and right isn’t just capitalism vs not capitalism… There’s a lot of other factors. But, there’s also things like social capitalism and social democracy that keep most of capitalism, while including checks and balances to reduce the destruction of society. I’d expect most centrists to want something like that, even if they don’t appreciate/understand the name.
Centrism is a myth, it’s right wing for people too afraid to call themselves as such.
That’s self-identified “Centrists” in the US who inhabit somewhere in the middle of the Overton window. Centrism in less relative terms is generally Liberals and they range from Center Left to Center Right.
“Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
MLK
I don’t think they’re necessarily “bad people”, but leftists can be really annoying when they argue using straw men, like OP.
Guys, just don’t be poor and it’s not an issue!
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/s, if not obvious
the number of times someone has said to me “you’re just mad because you’re poor”
and it’s like… obviously i’m mad because i’m poor! i’m mad we live in a system that denies people their basic dignities by creating a possibility for people to be this thing called poor. but they think they have money based on virtue, and i don’t based on some sort of failing
Don’t forget that the same system teaches all the regular people that wealth is a sign of virtue. That silly thought is not limited to the people who have the wealth. Much the opposite, in fact.
They also like to pretend that luck is minor part of it or even a non-issue. It’s crazy to imagine how much good could result from eliminating the concept that people are where they are solely because they “deserve” it and they “worked” for it.
I worked for the stuff I have too. That doesn’t mean I am not incredibly lucky.
There’s no such thing as a centrist.
“Centrist” is just what conservatives, corporatist parasites, and / or fascists call themselves when they don’t want their victims to realise they’re conservatives, corporatist parasites, and / or fascists.
You’re both right and wrong.
“Centrist” is just what conservatives, corporatist parasites, and / or fascists call themselve
This is true.
There’s no such thing as a centrist.
This isn’t. There absolutely are centrists, it’s just that their voices are drowned out by the loud extremes, AND they’re being labelled as leftists by the right, and “rightists” by the left.
I would call myself a (left) centrist, but I guess in has a different meaning where you live. In the Netherlands not even a right party is about letting people die without insurance.
The VVD, D66, SGP, CU and JA21 have all said they want a freeze on adding new treatments to the basic healthcare package, which is determined by the government. Critics say this would lead to patients being denied new treatments which could, for example, cure their cancer or other chronic illnesses.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/10/the-big-election-issues-healthcare-and-health-insurance/
Kinda sounds like they are about letting people die without insurance, and given enough time in power would build further on these policies. Your baseline intolerance for healthcare cuts may be higher, but make no mistake they want to take it away from you.
First of all of those parties I only consider D66 as central. Ja21 is far right. VVD pretends to be center but is also very right. SGP and CU are right and Christian so very conservative.
The thing about the freezing, it basically means healthcare stays as it is, and the newest most expensive treatments aren’t automatically added to system, but the current ones are still valid. It’s not great, but we need to seriously step up our military to gain more independence from the US, so we can defend ourselves against Putin, even if the US would choose not to help. This is going to cost a lot, so we need to either cut costs somewhere (healthcare is one of the biggest expenses) or we need to borrow more. Borrowing more will also kick the cheque down the road, basically making it the problem of the next generation. In a better world there was no thread of war and all the money could be spend on things like healthcare, but that is not the reality we live in.
The left-right spectrum is a bit of a capitalist sham anyways. class noises
The left is kaynsian the right was balanced budget… until Regan. And now it exactly as you describe.
The right has never been about a balanced budget, it’s been about maintaining a power structure and the means to prevent people getting into power they don’t want.
Muh civility 😭
Look, all the differences between any form of right wing and left wing come down to one single difference in thougt: right wingers think people are livestock that must be corralled and controlled in order to maximise the profit that can be extracted from them; left wingers think that people are… well, you know, people.
That’s a binary choice. There’s no middle ground between considering people people and considering them product. Don’t come at me with “but some people”, you monstrous bastards. Any so called centrist saying otherwise is either a right winger trying to control you and extract profit from you, or an idiot scammed by one into promoting their bullshit.
People are people. All of us. And if you want them to treat you like you’d want them to treat you, you’d better do the same back, not because of some religious nonsense, but because otherwise society collapses into a brutal free for all, and your chance of coming on top is infinitesimally small, no matter how loaded a hand you were born with. And even if win the bastard lottery and end up on top, so what? You’ll die soon enough like any other of us, shitting and pissing yourself as you go, and you can’t take any of your stolen wealth with you. You’ll just be remembered as that monstrous bastard who took everything and gave back nothing and made life worse for everyone else, may you rest in piss. Might as well use that wealth to help people and make the world better for everyone, but of course you wouldn’t have been able to amass all that stolen wealth to start with if you had even a shade of humanity in your rotten mind.
When the choice is treating people as people, or not, there’s no middle ground, there’s no appeasement, there’s no compromise.
You’re either for humanity, or against it.
