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alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 8 months ago

Nintendo is trying to shut down almost all Switch Emulators, including Eden, Citron, Kenji-NX, and MeloNx

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Nintendo is trying to shut down almost all Switch Emulators, including Eden, Citron, Kenji-NX, and MeloNx

www.dsogaming.com

alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 8 months ago
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It looks like Nintendo is now trying to shut down almost all of the remaining Nintendo Switch emulators, including Eden and Citron.
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  • iamthetot ( iamthetot@piefed.ca ) 
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    Open source is hard to kill off forever. Someone, somewhere is gonna have the repo.

    • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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      Getting it off GitHub is usually enough to effectively kill it.

      • Mike ( michael@piefed.chrisco.me ) 
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        Naa most projects are still fine off github. Theres a couple of emus that are now officially off gh and they are still being worked on.

      • Truscape ( Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        Self-hosted gits in a country that doesn’t care are becoming popular.

        • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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          What makes you say that? Probably 95% of FOSS projects I see are still hosted on GH.

          • Truscape ( Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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            I should clarify, self hosted Gits for projects that may fall under targeted harassment by corporations (Eaglercraft, Switch Emulators, etc…) are becoming popular.

            Ryujinx, operating out of Brazil, couldn’t be taken to court by Nintendo. So a lot of projects that could have Nintendo’s eye of sauron on them are looking for a safe country and self hosting as guaranteed insurance from a Yuzu situation.

          • Gamma ( GammaGames@beehaw.org ) 
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            Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber in that regard

          • Spice Hoarder ( spicehoarder@lemmy.zip ) 
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            Maybe 95% of your FOSS projects aren’t “free” enough ;o

            • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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              They’re not XD

          • sp3ctr4l ( sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            Oh, github, a division of MicroSlop?

            There are alternatives, which will become more popular as it becomes more and more obvious that they are just part of the US national ‘security’ apparatus.

            • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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              No, I meant GoodHank. The younger, better version of Hank Hill.

      • Jessica ( Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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        I personally got ahold of the final version of the source code to Ryujinx after it was pulled from GitHub and put it on archive.org and I’m literally a random nobody who had nothing to do with the project so you are very incorrect. It was almost immediately picked up by other developers and is still seeing development to this day

        • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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          Oh well if you archived it then its not dead!

      • Mereo ( mereo@piefed.ca ) 
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        They’ll need to proactively clone it to a non-github repos before its shutdown.

        • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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          Doesn’t matter if they clone it or not.

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝 ( HK65@sopuli.xyz ) 
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            Why? Why is it harder to get it from codeberg or even self hosted forges?

            It’s not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github

            • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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              It’s not harder to get it from there, it’s harder to get contributors.

              It’s not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github

              They absolutely do, that’s why devs are always begging for “stars”.

  • Default Username ( defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    Eden’s primary git repo is self-hosted. This doesn’t affect them at all.

    • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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      Nintendo’s lawyers have reach beyond github. They only need to chat with your hosting company or nameserver.

      • halcyoncmdr ( halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ) 
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        There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don’t give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.

        In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.

        • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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          Now that, im excited about 100%

      • Default Username ( defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Sure, but since the project itself is not illegal, they could just keep mirroring it and even throw it up on a .onion site or an I2P eepsite.

    • thingsiplay ( thingsiplay@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Do yo know which is the official website and repository? When I search different results popup and I don’t know which is original.

      • Default Username ( defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        https://eden-emu.dev/

  • qwestjest78 ( qwestjest78@lemmy.ca ) 
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    I mean Nintendo could always lower games prices, add the features you get from emulators, and make the experience vastly superior on the console, then these emulators would be far less relevant.

    No, I’m sure they will just keep killing better options and charging their consumers as much as humanly possible without having to innovate their products.

    • CerebralHawks ( cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      They actually have. Emulation on the Switch has save states, cheat codes, and ROM hacks. Sort of.

      So to clarify, for those who don’t know, first of all it’s not free. Nintendo Switch Online is required to play most of the emulated games. A few are gated behind the premium Expansion Pack membership (which also gets you expansions for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart). So this is how you play N64 and Genesis. Anyway, the games are curated (you get what they give you), but some have a star or something which means it’s basically a ROM hack with cheats. Like the one for Zelda II makes you level 8 in all three areas (sword, shield, magic IIRC). That’s it. Another might start you on the last level. One might give you all the items in the game. And not all games have alternate modes.

      So hey, they’re kind of trying.

      Agree on the rest though.

      • Hazzard ( Hazzard@lemmy.zip ) 
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        Yeah, I’d say NSO is now on the level I’d expect from a company offering. Still doesn’t compete with fan offerings, I.E. I can now play Windwaker on Switch 2, in a similar experience to original GameCube hardware, but on Dolphin I can play Windwaker with a widescreen code, in native 4K or higher, and using a fanmade texture pack like Hypatia’s, and the game is gorgeous. I can additionally access top-quality content like the randomizer, or even archipelago, with all sorts of optional enhancements like the swift sail. Or I could even emulate the Wii U remaster.

        But, it’s meeting the level I expect from a paid team that has a few years targeting a mobile chipset, compared to decades of accumulated passionate fan effort. It’s reasonable, unlike at release where the N64 emulation had swathes of issues not even present on Wii/Wii U Virtual Console, for example.

  • hzl ( hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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    It’s crazy to watch a company burn a lifetime of good will in just a few years of chasing copyright litigation.

    • artyom ( artyom@piefed.social ) 
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      They’re selling $80 games with no problems so it seems to be working out for them.

    • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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      The NES required companies to have nintendo make the cartridges for them and approve of games before doing so. You can say it improved quality over other systems but its still heavy handed and shitty from day one.

      I love the games and consoles over the years but fuck nintendo all the same. They are capitalist greedy pigs like every other big game company.

      • hzl ( hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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        Honestly, that kind of makes sense given the era the NES came out in. There was a fair amount of unplayable shovelware for the Atari, so having some oversight was probably good marketing at the time.

        The practice of going after emulators and trying to establish exclusive rights to game mechanics that they didn’t actually invent is a bit further.

    • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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      lifetime of good

      Their propaganda brainwashed you too hard, eh?

      • GrindingGears ( GrindingGears@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Lifetime of goodwill I believe the quote is. The OP is right on that too. I don’t know how old you are, but there’s a certain generation that allocates Nintendo an exceptional personal worth and views them as an exceptional company, due to the long standing memories that are associated with their products. Mainly the NES/Super NES era, but they had a few waves. It’s not really brainwashing, it’s literally like 20 or so years of memories with products that were key during crucial moments of our lives. So yeah, it’s a bit hard to reconcile that with the way they are acting in our modern age, honestly.

        • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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          Old to recall they were a card grifting company.

          I am aware nostalgia is one hell of a drug, but they’ve never had “goodwill.” Dunno if you’re capable of reconciling goodtimes from a grift, but you better do so, and for your ill-associated fans.

          I’ve hated them for far longer, and have given up hope you, and fans, will ever directly act upon this.

          • Gamma ( GammaGames@beehaw.org ) 
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            Starting a company is a grift! Selling hand made products is a grift!

            • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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              Nintendo makes handmade products‽
              Corporations are companies‽
              Is your non-sequitur necessary‽

              • Gamma ( GammaGames@beehaw.org ) 
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                The page you posted said they started walking handmade cards in 1889, calling it a grift is laughable. And no need to be pedantic

                • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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                  Wait, is this one of those “I didn’t know gambling was taboo and illegal too!” when making handmade cards used in gambling apologias? Or are you really going to defend gambling?

  • frongt ( frongt@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Sony v. connectix and Sony v. bleem both established that emulation is legal. Nintendo can fuck off.

  • Cantaloupe877 ( Cantaloupe877@fedioasis.cc ) 
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    I hate our timeline so much man…

    • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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      it won’t fix itself. So let’s get to demolishing.

  • Krauerking ( Krauerking@lemy.lol ) 
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    This won’t fix your slumping sales Nintendo

  • discomatic ( discomatic@lemmy.ca ) 
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    I was considering a Switch 2 but now… not so much.

  • network_switch ( network_switch@lemmy.ml ) 
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    At least on Android emulating your Steam library has become pretty good. A couple more years at this rate and any phone with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or better processor and you’re good to play most games that would run on a Switch and more anyways

    Switch emulation on PC is already great anyways. Getting there on Android. Sucks that progress has slowed down because of Nintendo takedowns

    • ComradePenguin ( ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml ) 
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      How do you emulate it? Need to root it?

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        Gamehub, GameNative, Winlator

        Gamehub is the most streamlined. As long as you have a recent as of the last like 3 years flagship snapdragon phone, you can emulate PC games pretty well. No root. Uses FEX, WINE, DXVK, etc. Pretty much the same software used for playing windows games on desktop linux

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          Thanks, this sounds really interesting!

  • _‌_反いじめ戦隊 ( AntiBullyRanger@ani.social ) 
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    Nintons doing direct acts about this: 🦗

  • tackleberry ( tackleberry@thelemmy.club ) 
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    I don’t understand. How will Nintendo shut down an emulator? does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?

    • InfiniteGlitch ( ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      does the emulator need Nintendo server to play the game?

      Not at all. Not even for online multiplayer, I remember Yuzu had some way to play multiplayer (there’s even a whole discord server for this).

      I think Nintendo is trying to scare everyone by trying to take everything down and sue. But we have see that it does not work, it’ll just split the base once again in multiple fragments (with different emulators).

      Though, it feels like the development of Switch emulation has stagnated. I don’t see improvements for current games that have trouble running on the emulators (which often both original Yuzu and Ryujinx would fix by time).

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    Good to know, will get them now

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