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- cross-posted to:
- foss
- buyeuropean@feddit.uk
- privacy@programming.dev
Since Discord has decided to set itself on fire you might be looking for an alternative. Fluxer is open source (AGPL), selfhostable and based in Sweden. But maybe wait a while before you try to install the server yourself because the dev writes on github:
I know it’s hard to resist, but please wait a little longer before you dive deep into the current codebase or try to set up self-hosting. I’m aware the current stack isn’t very lightweight. In the next update, self-hosting should be straightforward, with a small set of services: Fluxer Server (TypeScript) using SQLite for persistence, Gateway (Erlang), and optionally LiveKit for voice and video.
The developer hosted instance has a Nitro-like premium tier for their service named Plutonium, if you selfhost you get all the premium features for free.
Fluxer is not federated (yet), but according to the website, federation is planned in the near(-ish) future. Furthermore the service is a bit spotty at the moment as they are fighting with an unusually big influx of new users.
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Fluxer really looks great. Might be the greatest alternative to discord, made in EU. But fluxer is tired these days. Too much traffic…
It looks very nice, but unfortunately it’ll likely not really reach mass-appeal just due to no proper mobile app (yet).
Personally I’ll definitely look into moving over with the communities I really enjoy using - but the masses will not move in my experience. You can see with how reddit still exists.
Why not Stoat? Main dev is in the UK so unfortunately not in the EU, but it’s been around a lot longer than most of these alternatives, and seems to be the main one i hear about
Stoat still hasn’t enabled screensharing or video calls.
Why not something federated like https://mov.im/ instead of something that ties you to a single provider you cannot leave when it pulls off stupid stuff?
I’ve been recommending Movim myself, actually. I also see it as the best option, currently.
Stoat doesn’t have the ball as rolling.
It’s still up to stoat and fluxer to show they can deliver and attract discord users
Sounds lewd.
Like any open sauce should.I like it.
Mumble literally still works. The last 20 years of UI design were a mistake, we must return to tradition!
Unfortunately Mumble doesn’t allow for group video calls or screensharing. Personally I’d recommend Movim for people who require those additional features.
Really cool project. Unfortunately, in this day and age, not having a desktop and mobile app is really hard to sell. PWAs are just not the same.
Also, curious: hie compatible is this actually with the rest of the XMPP ecosystem? From the architecture description, movin sits between its frontend and an xmpp server. But if another user connects to that same xmpp server from a non-movin client, how mich are they able to see and do?
I’m generally only recommending Movim since it being a PWA allows it to be a one-stop-shop that functions well enough across any device universally, reducing complexity for the average user (which is critically important when on-boarding).
However, there are native applications that could be used instead, such as the desktop app Dino, which is compatible with Movim’s group video calls. Unfortunately it is not yet able to screenshare.
The native Mobile apps tend to be lagging behind with group call support. Conversations/Cheogram/Monocles can all do 1-to-1 audio and video calls, but cannot screenshare or join group calls yet.
Text chat and file/image sharing is 100% compatible across all clients.
If Movim is able to attract enough Discord refugees, and thus increase funding (it currently receives $43 a month from patreon, plus small grants from foundations like NLnet), it would likely be able to create a native version of the app for desktop/mobile.
PWA allows it to be a one-stop-shop that functions well enough across any device universally
I do get it, esp. because it significantly reduces development efforts required. I’ve just personally never liked them, and I suspect I’m not alone in this.
However, there are native applications that could be used instead, such as the desktop app Dino, which is compatible with Movim’s group video calls. Unfortunately it is not yet able to screenshare.
Ah, that’s good to know, thank you!
it currently receives $43 a month from patreon
ouch.
I’ve just personally never liked them, and I suspect I’m not alone in this.
I’m with you on that, but I’ve been willing to look past it since it checks every other box I have.
Monocles also does what Movim does, but with a native app on the phone.
You have personally used the monocles app from F-droid to have group video calls and shared your screen in a call?
AFAIK Monocles also hosts a Movim instance, which is separate from their mobile app (The mobile app is a fork of Conversations with some additions from Cheogram and Blabber).
Are you sure you are not confusing the two? I ask because I can’t find any mention of that ability to perform group calls on the Monocles website, nor on their Codeberg.
Conversations, which the Monocles mobile app is based on, still cannot perform group calls or group video calls as of 3 months ago, so I’d be a little surprised if Monocles independently added that ability without upstreaming it to Conversations.
From first glance this looks much better than Stoat as an alternative.
But does not allow you to freely choose a provider, which makes it far easier to enshittify if people cannot leave, something like https://mov.im/ could solve this.
What do you mean? You can selfhost once the setup is wrapped up https://github.com/fluxerapp/fluxer
There’s still no free choice, users will be bound to their provider and whatever path the enshittification will take.
I can’t register on it. Captcha authentification is broken
Edit: Registration works now. But where is the software so I can self-host an instance?
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The only reason they can enshittify Discord is because it’s centralized. And you want another centralized version?
Did you just stop reading after a couple of words, or why do you ask questions I have already answered?
