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“Immigration and Customs Enforcement” doesn’t really sound like border enforcement is part of their remit, more sounds like they should be making sure people DO immigrate to the US, or more realistically ensuring people follow the correct processes to immigrate.
It really felt like flipping a switch similar to when I left Catholicism. Once I started questioning borders, I very quickly got to the point of being utterly baffled that people buy into the idea of borders at all.
It’s dumb to think you can close 12,000 miles of borders, and even dumber to pretend freedom of movement isn’t a right everyone, not just the wealth class, has.
Legitimately asking here,
Would this mean you’d like anyone to come into America without going through a process? Like just allowing the people to walk in and out?
Or is it you want to reform the border?
You ever been to Europe? Lots of borders you can cross without even realizing it. It’s anti-human to allow goods and services to traverse borders but not people.
Counterpoint, Europe has its own borders and you can’t cross those if you’re not from inside of the EU. And even that is a specific subset of EU countries.
Akin to inter-provincial/across state line travel. I think a lot of people outside of Europe just view it the same as a provincial setup.
They’ve got agreements between these various countries. No reason we can’t expand that list of countries.
But not from outside the EU. Europe in total is still smaller than the US.
If you want an accurate comparison, you have to imagine the EU as one country and the members as states, or the US as a union and the US states as countries.
If you look at it like that, the border policy is basically the same.
Those are all still separate countries though. I don’t see how their size relative to the US is relevant. The countries have agreements amongst themselves that include an open border policy. There is no ‘natural’ reason why such agreements can’t be expanded, or implemented elsewhere.
Not disagreeing with you there. Just that the argument of comparison to the US is lacking.
Within the EU sure, because they’re “softer” boarders because of the way it’s structured. Closer to crossing state lines in the US. They don’t allow free movement with non-EU nations.
It sounds like you’re saying “of course you can have open borders if you have open borders”. No kidding.
More “of course you can have open borders if you can pick and choose which borders”
Would this mean you’d like anyone to come into America without going through a process? Like just allowing the people to walk in and out?
Yes.
What are you so afraid of?
I don’t advocate open borders as a final solution, but it would probably be better than what the federal government is doing today. And it would be better than letting ICE continue.
I think it’s only a question of WHEN the population decline in the developed world affects economies enough that countries offer immigrants incentives and actively recruit people to move there.
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