• Fleur_ ( Fleur_@aussie.zone ) 
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    Reading the article the logic of sending 85 personnel and some aircraft for an initial 4 weeks to protect Australians (upwards of 100 000 and 24 000 in the UAE) seems reasonable. But I swear to god we better not be launching attacks on Iran or sinking any of their commercial shipping. We should be offering assistance to the Australians in the region wanting to leave and recommending that they do so.

    Fuck I hate this timeline and fuck I hate the USA and Israel.

      • Fleur_ ( Fleur_@aussie.zone ) 
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        UAE airports? The article only specified them? And the article quotes his statement indicating no intention of offensive action. It’s a surveillance plane and air to air missiles. What its going to be doing there is assisting US and Israeli strikes which is stupid.

        I don’t like this war but the logical target from the Iranian perspective is the gulf states and there are Australians there. They’ve already made attacks on all of the gulf states. There are thousands of Australians in the region. The government has told them to leave while they can. It makes sense to use the adf to defend Australians and so I’m okay with this currently. I don’t think they should be assisting US and Israeli strikes. Again the only sane voice in this whole situation coming out of parliament is coming from the greens.

        I’d also like to add this is very similar to the mission we sent to Ukraine and we have yet to be dragged into their war. All of this is in the article

  • Arancello ( Arancello@aussie.zone ) 
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    Albanese has sold his and our souls to drumpf. He had the chance to cancel aukus, but failed. Now we are in a war declared by a 34 times convicted fraudster and a 6 times bankrupt without political approval.

    • fizzle ( fizzle@quokk.au ) 
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      Is aukus really that bad?

      We need to align ourselves with someone, and until recently the US is most closely aligned with our values. Also our heritage makes UK an ideal partner. I despise Trump, but perhaps the alliance will be more palatable after hes dead.

      I dislike following the US into every war, but thats part of the deal really.

      I think building some expertise around subs is a reasonably good direction.

      Personally, I like the French and Canadians much more than the US and UK, but I think these types of alliances run pretty deep.

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        Seems like a bad deal from everything I’ve read. A very one sided deal too AFAICT. Mayyybe for the geopolitical reason of “we need to treat our big bully ally well or they won’t support us” but TBH I wouldn’t trust Trump helping as far as I can throw his fat orange arse.

        • fizzle ( fizzle@quokk.au ) 
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          Fair enough.

          Everyone needs to develop their own opinions. For my own part I know enough about international arms deals to know that I don’t know enough about international arms deals to determine whether they’re one sided.

          I do know that the rare earths deal we got out of Trump is a golden goose that’s going to keep laying eggs for many decades.

          I don’t have any trust of Trump either but he will be long dead before we get a sub.

      • 0_o7 ( 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Also our heritage makes UK an ideal partner.

        I didn’t know genocide of the natives was the heritage to be proud of.

        Lapdogs beating around the bush to say they love supporting war criminals. But hey, you do you.