In the US “Conservative” means you worship billionaires and just do whatever the politicians that serve those billionaires tell you to do.
There is no difference here in Germany… 🥺
Conservatism in the US nowadays mostly features some degree of cultism. In a lot of people’s cases, that means a cult to cruelty, unfortunately.
Its weird. When I speak with MAGA people its like they aren’t connected to reality. They want to simp for an 80 year old senile pedophile … nothing he does changes that, it is truly like unconditional love with them. Creepy. 100% cultlike behaviour.
Everything is mixed up over there. If you’re a patholic lier, they think you speak the truth. If you rape kids and hide the evidence they make you President…
Now ask him if Christianity should play an official role in the German government. Or if he objects to people practicing cultures other than German in Germany. Both of those would be radically far-right in North America, but are pretty standard in Europe.
What’s going on here is that people tend to arrange themselves along a left-to-right line, but where exactly in the multidimensional space of viewpoints that line cuts through varies dramatically between times and places. It even inverts - your Prussian conservative would have taken a much dimmer view of free markets than a contemporary to their political left.
You’re full of shit. Those things are very far right in Europe.
Also, remind me what’s written on the american Dollar, or what the north american anglosphere has to say about Quebec’s secularism?
In god we trust was added by the American right during the frenzy of the 1950’s, with the argument was that it doesn’t specify which god, so it’s okay. Like, there are factions there, and to a degree in Canada that want to make Christianity official, but they’re kind of radical.
Separation of church and state is embedded in the US constitution, even if they’ve always thought of themselves as a Christian nation. This is because it was founded by the day’s radical left. Meanwhile, the German conservative might vote CDU.
or what the north american anglosphere has to say about Quebec’s secularism?
Nobody has a bad word to say about the quiet revolution, actually.
There was a bill written about Muslims and hijabs specifically, which was unpopular outside of Quebec and found to be illegal. And then a bunch of similar bills but with “no oversized crosses” added on. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of.
Which goes back to the thing about multiculturalism. In Anglo Canada the mainstream debate is literally whether less integration is always better (postnationalism), or if there’s some kind of common Canadian identity that you should have even if you’re Muslim and speak Arabic at home. In Europe that would be radical, and the debate seems to be about whether the domestic culture should be allowed to mix or change at all.
Edit: If you yourself are French, that might be the one exception. There was a revolution around the same time as in America, and it left some of the same legacies.
Pretty sure they didn’t have to “break the news” on that.
Okay so out to the people here, am I a conservative based on the following information?
Things I like: Free healthcare, pro-choice, strong military, 2SLGBTQ+ rights, properly vetted immigration, freedom of speech/religion/belief SO LONG AS it doesn’t hurt/oppress anyone, free trade, higher taxes on wealthier people irrespective of whether their wealth is cash or assets, SENSIBLE gun control, investment in education/science, capital punishment in very rare circumstances, lower taxes if possible, environmentally conscious decisions, nuclear power.
I have always considered myself a conservative, though I have been voting Liberal. I just can’t stand that little shit stain running the Conservative party in my country.
Centrist
Labels are useless as their meanings keep changing across time and contexts, and as soon as you adapt one for yourself people will either resent you for your choice of label or for not being holy enough (you’re a progressive but you believe people should be allowed to own guns and you honestly think free trade isn’t killing the planet and you believe in death penalty? Blah blah blah).
It’s more useful to think in terms of ideological cleavages. On the scale of authoritarianism to personal freedoms you believe in LGBTQ+ and women’s rights to control their own bodies. Properly vetted immigration could mean many things but is generally indicative of being on the right. Believing in death penalty and emphasizong strong military further pushes you to the right on this scale. Sounds like somewhere centre right on that dimension.
Along the economic dimension you believe in taxing the rich and providing universal welfare, placing you left of centre. “Lower taxes if possible” I guess then goes for low income folks, and is very much in line with taxing the rich in a society like the US - the “if possible” is key, as it seems you’re willing to prioritize the wellbeing of your neighbours. Investment in education and science is also left on this dimension.
Another useful dimension is secular/religious, where you appear to be pretty secular. I guess that explains your opinions about abortion and LGBTQ+ in spite of being more on the authoritarian spectrum, as the religious parts of conservativism seems less important to you.
If the word “conservative” hadn’t been ruined I’d say you’re closer to a conservative than a progressive. But in the political climate of current-day America I guess you’re a dangerous far-left radical.
Screw lazy labels. I differ on two of your points, and another three I would need more details on to be able to say. We think, and therefore our views are nuanced, as they should be. We believe that articulating our views in detail is worth the effort because we know that like it or not, our opinions shape the world for everyone, not just ourselves.
Make a reply for each value and let people upvote for progressive and downvote for conservative. Then people will participate.
“Access” is the weasel word there. You and I both have “access” to a yacht.
In germany “healthcare” usually implies “public healthcare”, which implies “free”. Private healthcare is a strong exception, and public health care is the default.
It would be very unusual, if the person in the tweet was referring to “private healthcare” when they said “yes”.
The question would be kinda nonsensical when you assume it was about paying for healthcare. “Should people be allowed to pay money to receive usual healthcare services?”
No, there’s private healthcare and private health insurance and the “conservative” and right wing parties are always working on making public healthcare less accessible, more expensive. It’s also never truly free, your contribution just gets directly taken out of your salary.
As if anyone cares what they would be “in america” as a non-american. Human existence is not defined by the US perspective.
Luckily for the rest of the world noone cares what would count as far radical left in dumbfuckistan.
He might even be classified as a “domestic terrorist” at this point. (partially joking).
Liz Fromiowa? Looks Russian to me
Prost!
From our German view, the republicans are far right.
You mean democrats are far right in comparison?
Does anyone think Republicans aren’t far right???
Neo Nazis think they are not far right enough.
tbh I dk the context of the person who made the post. By this writing and her adding “in America :(” could be both a classic case of shit an American sad as well as commenting on America. Btw as a radical Left German i heard enough people say the healthcare here is to generous but they had the money to afford privet.
Conservatives don’t lack common sense, they lack imagination and education about how things work in other countries.
They also swallowed the insurance company propaganda that countries with universal healthcare, have government death panels deciding who lives or dies, involuntary medical experiments, and months-years long waits for life saving treatments.
That’s cute that they don’t think insurance companies have “death panels.” They run Healthcare like a business and have meetings to decide who qualifies for life saving operations.
It is always projection
