Russia is happy US made the same mistake as them.
“Mistake”
Russia’s operative in office was given explicit instructions to start this war.
Yes, and now both countries started a war they expected to easily win and now looks like they made the same mistake. There are an endless amount of differences between these two wars but it not going as easy as hoped is one very clear similarity.
I think you misspelled Israel.
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Funny, even mentioning Ukraine in a post title starts a tankie fest. Fellas working overtime, I see
Seriously. It’s like someone spilled tankie chum on the carpet, or something.
Someone did something stupid and refederated with Hexbear the infected are breaking containment again
Don’t hexbear
Open inside
My instance isn’t even federated with hexbear or .ml and I still see a bunch on their alts
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is some program that sources places to comment for these bots. Russia would be a logical keyword in that case.
Yeah, they are in overdrive recently. Had one calling me an imperial pig for saying that the Iranian regime, a theocratic dictatorship, are not the best of guys.
It’s funny that Ukraine is exposing their own hypocrisy here too. They are defending their own sovereignty against Russia’s aggression yet they support US and Israel aggression over Iran defending their own sovereignty.
The waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There’s not much hypocrisy to be had there, it’s just sad.
Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
How? By trading with it’s ally Russia? Same way Ukraine has been trading with it’s allies US, EU and others? We are at world war if that’s the case for breached sovereignty.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians.
Yes. Something we can agree on. Iranian people should be the only ones who decides how their country is run.
They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
So the world will lift the sanctions placed on them and let them as citizens of a sovereign nation overthrow their theocratic government?
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least.
I think you are confused and maybe posted in a different thread. “Russia scoffs at US-Israeli ‘miscalculation’ in Iran, years after failing to take Ukraine in days” was the original title of this article… Ukraine’s hypocrisy is very much on point for this article.
Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Funny you say that. You are in effect the most effective propagandist for theocrats and other autocrats. You celebrate murder of civilians by lawless nations and then pretend to care about civility and rule of law. When that hypocrisy is exposed you are surprised why people are not listening to you.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty. And if people living in those countries are unhappy about their government, it’s up to them and only them to change that. It’s doesn’t matter if we personally like it or not. It’s written in the UN Charter which we all are part of.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty.
I don’t know which country you are in, but I assume we both are part of the global minority that has won the birth lottery and are now residing in a region with relatively stable democratic institutions, a high standard of living, and the enjoyment of expressing an opinion without fear of the police showing up and make you disappear.
The UN Charter, the Declaration of Human Rights, and all other international agreements are valuable if respected by everyone that signed them. Countries like Iran, Russia, and China have signed most of these agreements (including the Declaration of Human Rights), but are apparently ignoring them by default. Russia, for example, agreed to more than 20 ceasefire agreement since its Ukraine invasion has began in 2014, and the Kremlin has undermined all of them.
Iran has now been sending weapons to Russia, supporting its aggression. China has been rightfully named a decisive enabler of Russia in the Ukraine war. Your argument that Ukraine is also supported by the West is dishonest and discredits you, because Ukraine is defending itself. The EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and other democratic states are supporting Ukraine’s defense. Iran and China are supporting Russia’s aggression.
This is why we should all care. Because the UN Charter and all other agreements are worthless if not enforced, and we are going in the wrong direction if we don’t stop those who breach them.
Autocratic regimes are not only suppressing their own citizens, they are also actively threatening Western-style democracies and the people there. We must oppose them by all means - militarily, politically, and economically. I don’t want, to provide an example, cheap oil and gas from Russia and Iran nor any renewable energy tech from China.
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cat “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.
Whilst it’s a hard bite I understand the stance. I’m a staunch supporter of the Ukraine and unfortunately they have had to make comprises on their position. TBF I think they have balanced well. I am a supporter of Taiwan, I made an effort to buy their products over Chinese where possible, but then they decided to see parts to the Russians and critique Ukraine.
So I can see how hypocrisy can hurt.
Ukraine the brave.
I do support Ukraine too and will continue to support their fight for sovereignty, but this will do unrepairable damage. Until now they were able to call out Russia for their hypocrisy and people take them seriously, now they are the same double faced liars that they were calling out before.
I think liars is a bit strong. Acknowledging compromise is more my stance. And honestly so many have made promises and then let them down.
Iran is where Russia has been getting it’s drones from, so I don’t think Ukraine should feel any type of way about Iran being in conflict, it benefits them on the lower level of drone supply going to Russia.
And Ukraine has been getting weapons from half the world, should that half of the world now be open targets for it?
Sovereignty can’t be conditional. You either support or it you don’t.
Sure, but they aren’t.
Yeah, because on one side of the war is their begrudging allies and on the other is an ally to their invader
Ukraine gets a pass because they’re currently being invaded. It’s not an ideologicall position to defend yourself, they aren’t hypocrits for playing wherever hand they’ve got
War is a horrid thing, it makes monsters of us all. The only valid reason is for self defense, and we (theoretically) blame the aggressor for what the victim does in the course of defending themselves
Iran provides thousands of drones to Russia. The US provides weapons to Ukraine… But Ukraine is supposed to support Iran against the US, bolstering their opponent and pissing off an ally? Because I guess it’s better for every man woman and child in Ukraine to be dead and ethically pure than to survive using anything below ideal ethical behaviour??
Make it make sense please!
Do they support it or just not criticize them for it due to being so reliant on US weaponry?
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel. They praised the attacks, met with the exiled monarch and no word about Iran sovereignty.
They also offered to send drones and drone specialists to the region to shoot down Iranian drones. Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones. If you have issue with that, why are you doing the same?
Also they are not reliant on US anymore, Europe is almost entirely supplying Ukraine now from weapons to intelligence.
Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones.
Well that’s just disingenuous and you know it. There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones. Iran is helping Russia kill Ukrainians. Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran. No Iranians are dying from Ukrainian drones.
There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
What a joke. There isn’t such a thing as defensive weapon. Weapons are effensive by their fucking nature.
Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran.
The same Gulf countries that allow US bases from which attacks are conducted? Do you even believe the shit you say?
Seems to be a touchy subject for you so I’ll just leave it at this. Take care.
It should be for everyone. We lived through live genocide streamed to the world to see and heard excuse after excuse that nothing could be done because US only supplies defensive weapons to war criminals.
Don’t feed the troll, or the tankie lol!
It’s funny how we all delegate the use of heavy weapons to people who are barely able to communicate
irans war greatly benefited RUSSia, IN THAT THEY CAN recover the money they lost on the ukraine invasion since the oil prices are so high right now.
Regardless of what the current consensus is the fact remains that the US, through NATO, choked Russia until they had to attack Ukraine.
I just want to point that out.
Can you explain? I’m lost.
Nah, this shit has been going on since russia called itself an empire openly. The only thing that changed is the branding
this disjointed thinking is what happens when your mother drinks too much vodka with you in utero
Ok then
I mean, they are the experts.
Actually, question here: how many wars has Russia won that they actually started?
Afghanistan was a shit show as per usual. Russo-Japanese war was a loss, though I believe the Japanese started that one.
Cool, now Trump will drop all the other sanctions.
