Isn’t notepad an LLM client now?
Feels like everything is. Might as well describe every app by it‘s (now) secondary function.
Some apps just have it as primary function now…
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@programmer_humor@programming.devI’d say LLM is a notepad client now.
That makes no sense even if you ignore the fact that Copilot can be easily disabled in Notepad, and it doesn’t directly load with the app (as in: doesn’t slow down startup or anything like that).
Notepad works just as it always had, it just has dark theme, tabs, sessions, and a Markdown viewer now.
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Well, I confess I’m in no good position to say anything about Windows 11, for I’ve been a daily Linux-only user (Arch, by the way) for almost a decade.
However, as far as I’ve seen about Windows, AI (especially that spying feature designed to take screenshots and create a lookup-able timeline, “Microsoft Recall” if I recall (pun intended) correctly) seems to be so intertwined with Windows that even the Windows Explorer’s Shell has now a hard dependency on AI-related and Microsoft Edge-related libraries. This way, if someone were to try and purge the Windows from AI-related crap, it will break the OS, Explorer simply won’t launch.
Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default: the exact same dilemma behind Mozilla Firefox and all the crap they’ve been imbuing inside the browser. In the end of the day, it’s a non-consented relation. The fact it can be opted-out doesn’t make it less of a non-consented relationship, for the non-consented relation already happened as the user proceeds to opting-out of it. In other realms of legality, it would be considered a crime, but as it’s something done by corporations (Microsoft, Mozilla, Google), they it’s suddenly “a-okay”.
Don’t take this as an attack against yourself, but holy shit, where are you getting your news from? Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?
Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.
Copilot barely does anything. They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it.
“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)
Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default
It’s a button. If you click the button, a Copilot interface loads with the file you’re editing pre-loaded as context. Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space. You can disable the button from the Settings.
I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.
And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”
I don’t understand what “crime” you mean.
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Don’t take this as an attack
It’s okay, no offense taken.
where are you getting your news from?
Mostly from Lemmy, but also from Gizmodo.
Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?
Tbf, it doesn’t help the fact that corps are shoving AI into everything they can and can’t. I’m far from being Anti-AI, but when we live in a world where everything is being AI-fied, I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.
Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.
As far as I read, it’s partially true. Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.
They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it
It’s a button. […] Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space.Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.
“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)
Okay, fair point.
I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.
I heard the same during a discussion about Firefox here in Lemmy. “Users are dumb, so corp needs to guide them through the new features by enrolling them automatically”. Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!
And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”
Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are. You said yourself: Microsoft is “a company catering to 80% of the market” dominating the PC market, not Apple.
what “crime” you mean
Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.
Mostly from Lemmy
Yeah, Lemmy is weird, especially the tech-related communities for some reason. It’s like: “if it’s not Linux and FOSS, it’s literal cancer, unless it’s Microsoft’s, then it’s literal radioactive and aggressive cancer”.
I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.
100% agreed. However, as with any other opinion, fundamentalism is bad, m’kay. I get why people are tired of AI (I’m in the same boat!) but there has to be rationality involved.
As far as I read, it’s partially true.
That’s just ordinary standard click-bait from a tech site. They themselves mention that the rollout will be “to beta users”, that means Insiders. Insider builds are very different from regular builds and many features are force-enabled in them.
Which makes sense: if you’re making the very conscious decision of signing up to Windows Insider, after going through the warnings about the nature of the program, you should know full well about what it comes with.
I was reinstalling my wife’s Windows recently and was asked if I want to enable Recall, with a very prominent “the feature is in preview” on the screen.
Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.
Oof, there’s a bit to unpack here.
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If it’s workplace, it’s not the employee’s device, it’s the workplace’s. Nothing the employee does is private, that’s the whole point of managed devices. Nobody ever looks at what the employee does (unless their manager is completely fucking insane), because nobody has the time for that, but in case of, say, litigation, or such, the data is there. Recall isn’t needed for that.
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Microsoft has zero access to Recall data. It’s 100% local (hence the “Copilot+ PC” requirement - these are the PCs that have CPUs with an “NPU”, or “Neural Processing Unit”, allowing them to run LLMs locally without killing performance).
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For hackers to get to this data, they’d need to break the network security measures, the account security measures, anti-virus security measures AND BitLocker. Which is to say: a hacker getting access to Recall is the least of a workplace’s worries, because it means they’re effectively wide open to the Internet.
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There’s not much in Recall that you can’t extract from the browser’s cache. Many of these things are actually less useful, because even if you steal someone’s password by scraping Recall data (and that’s assuming something goes wrong and Recall doesn’t redact it), you won’t be able to sign in from a different device due to MFA. However, if you have such deep-level access to the device, you can, instead, steal the token used for logging in - that one usually already comes with the MFA token, so you can sign in anywhere.
Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.
Those features - to my knowledge - only work on the devices with the NPU, which is to say: they run locally. I haven’t really looked into it, though. Either way: they are fully optional and dormant until the user clicks them.
Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph
Check any news source for the road accident numbers. You start to see a trend now?
or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!
Did you not notice who won in the US last year?
Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are
How do you mean? The only difference I can think of is that Apple users are generally more enthusiastic towards Apple products than MS users. That being said, we’ve seen countless times that whatever Apple does is called “revolutionary”, whereas when MS does, people don’t care. First touch-screen phones: Microsoft. Best digital assistant: Microsoft. Best optimised mobile OS: Microsoft. Etc., etc.
And we’ve already seen that recently with Recall - Microsoft announced it, and people lost their shit, talking about how dangerous that is, how security is 100% compromised right now, and how everybody has to switch to MacOS or Linux.
Then, two weeks later, Apple announced it’s identical but less secure version of Recall, and there was nothing overtly negative in the media about it. Some sceptical articles here and there.
Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.
That’s, unfortunately, not how it works. I agree that dark patters suck and people who use them should be banned from making any executive decisions regarding software ever, but most of the time when people are complaining about dark patterns these days, it’s completely benign shit.
Like, come on, a button showing up with a new feature is now a “dark pattern”? Let’s be real here.
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Notepad’s sole purpose is to remove formatting from copied text.
ctrl+shift+v is your friend
Not always (looking angrily at you Outlook, meanwhile your brother Excel excels (ha!) at doing this while inputting data).
Fuck excel. The default should be to leave whatever the fuck I paste in there alone. If I want you to reformat shit I’ll tell you to reformat it.
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Everytime I paste something it there, the formatting (for better or for worse) stays on whatever the source was.But at least you can use the CTRL + Shift + V to paste it unformatted (Unlike Outlook)
Try doing upc codes and see how you feel about it.
Oh yeah…Data type pasting is…Interesting :p
That command gives me a bunch of more hoops to jump through
that doesn’t usually work when copying between different Microsoft products. it always fucks it up somehow or simply doesn’t let you
It still does that job perfectly fine.
You can use Neovim (or any CLI text editor) for that
notepad has formatting now? o_O
does it produce markdown or something?
Yep it’s markdown, and yep they had a CVE with second highest grade cause of it
heh, ofc. Apparently something to do with file:// and such uri handling, apparently executing local files? Yikes.
not just local files
if you click a link to file:///123.45.67.89:69420/files-download/virus.exe it will download and run virus.exe from that IP address
it still works, but now there is a “Dangerous Link Location: This is not a web link and may lead to the execution of malicious code” warning, but previously it would silently run the file.
kinda wild a file-link ever went straight to executing it after download - which on it’s own could be dangerous as well.
I guess the “the s in IOT stands for security” also applies to notepad: “the s in vibecoding stands for security”
Aren’t CVE grades meaningless anyway with how they are declared in real world?
It’s a UWP (i think? they renamed the platform twice already) vibecoded app now, notepad.exe still around.
So… they removed Wordpad to push people into using Word… and now they removed Notepad to push people into… this monstrosity? Why does Notepad support hyperlinks now?
Back when I used Notepad, it was to strip out rich text formatting and reliably get consistently distinct text, especially if I configured it to use a monospace font. Now I have to worry about embedded hyperlinks sending me to God-knows-where?
If you are stuck in Windows, use Notepad++.
Control + Shift + V pastes as plain text.
I’ve totally fallen for markdown. I want more normies to know about it.
All the nice things about rich text with none of the Word.
The Notepad getting junk added is a Microsoft Store app. The old notepad.exe is still usable.
And as for all things Windows 11 a tutorial is needed to painstakingly wade through every inch of bullshit.
Well, as far as you consider the bugs usable.
The junk being: tab support, dark mode, sessions, and Markdown support. Oh, the horror!
My week as a windows forced office worker just peaked having seen this meme.
I mean you’re right, but also look at what emacs or vim are doing on the linux side. Overloading your notepad application is hardly a concept birthed on Windows.
I’d argue the Linux equivalent is more something like nano, and I wouldn’t say nano is overloaded
Vim has kept to simple sanity.
We don’t talk about LazyVim.
Edit: I heard Emacs might be getting a text editor added soon.
I’m not so sure about that. Vim has syntax highlighting, programming language support (assisted via ctags), two terminal emulators, a window manager, two (arguably three) programming languages, transparent remote file editing…
So anyway, I use an editor that doesn’t waste my time: Ed, man! !man ed.
Makes perfect sense. It is the standard editor.
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Wasn’t there a lurking
edit.exeoredit.cmdsomewhere insideC:\WINDOWS\system32? Would make an interesting replacement to the enshittified “Not-e-pad”. But, then, I haven’t used Windows since Windows 10 was still a novelty (and what definitely pushed me to Linux… Arch Linux btw), so maybe I’m very old (“I’m old, Dean, very old”) to recall of a MS-DOS relic.GNU EMACS is RIGHT THERE in WINDOWS
You can INSTALL IT
(Well you can’t install it, you kinda just dump it in Program Files)
PEOPLE have been EXTENDING it for DECADES SAFELY
WHAT are you WAITING FORWell, since you asked… I’m waiting for guile-emacs to make a breakout like neovim did.
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Oh god, nobody look at org-mode 😳
I use Neovim (and Kate sometimes)
This is a bad rant. Nvim has markdown format rendering too, does that make it worse? I’d say the markdown rendering was a good update, because now my tech illiterate coworkers can open the .md files I sprinkle everywhere and see them as their meant.
No, the true madness is the advent of tabs that stay open until explicitly closed, even if the program is terminated, and come back when you open the app from scratch.

















