No one can exit vim. It’s simply not possible.
There are even legends that the devil himself was onced tricked into opening vim and is stuck there since.
That explains the many vim enthusiasts that don’t want any other editor. They simply can’t exit the vim instance they once accidentally opened…
The Eagles called it Hotel California.
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What if my PC boots straight into Vim? It’s not like I need anything else, can do everything in Vim
Oh it’s like Zombo?
As discovered by plyth, you can’t do anything anymore. There are limits
Seeing you reply made me click the link, where is my beloved! At least the new owners want to keep it Zombo.
Not anymore.
crap
Can vim be pid-1? No? emacs can B)
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so human of it!
Isn’t it? I can’t decide whether I believe this is an easter egg
If it was trained properly on Internet data it would just respond with “you can’t”
If you need to exit vim, just open a new terminal and reboot the machine.
Ok this proves that AI has reaches human level intelligence.
Instructions: “Next, open the .config file in vim…”
Me:
This is how we trap it. This is how we win.
This is how we vim😏
Blowing through all those tokens failing to exit a vim
I often see Copilot get stuck in a nonresponsive shell after it used
cat > file. It’s hilarious to watch the first time, but I’m a bit tired of it by now. Why doesn’t it just edit files like it normally does?Why doesn’t it just edit files like it normally does?
Haha. Yes.
But it does everything the most probable way, according to all the stack overflow it has swallowed.
Sometimes that way makes sense. Sometimes not.
Because efficiency is never the point. All gimmicks of “artificial intelligence” throughout history is how automatons do things the way humans do it, with human interface. The mechanical turk, the robot maids of the 70s, etc.
The mechanical turk, the robot maids of the 70s, etc.
Yes.
But I’m a little sad that I still can’t buy a robot maid or butler.
I figured they would exist by now, for about the price of a vacuum.
I’m not demanding that they actually be any good. We could just program them to quote “The Jetsons” and do some simple vacuum pathing, or deliver a tray full of drinks.
Why :wq doesnt work?
If it’s a read only file it won’t work, but it might be in insert mode and can’t escape.
It should have tried :q!
I think it might not be vim.
Same tbh
i cant understand all the vim hyping. its probably very neat and can do whatever, but what good is that if it takes awful amount of bother to learn everything by heart since interface has been designed to be as unfriendly as possible. it doesnt have to be fit for office worker, but at least some ease of use is needed.
since interface has been designed to be as unfriendly as possible
No, it hasn’t.
It (well, vi, which vim is a clone of) has been designed to be a possible interface on a keyboard that doesn’t have arrow keys or other modifier keys than shift. There aren’t that many ways to program a visual text editor when those are your constraints.
That it’s more productive once you know it is a side-effect.
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You don’t have to move your hands while touch typing. This is the single biggest reason why vim is still used today, regardless of whether you have arrow keys or not. In fact vim does support arrow keys and using the mouse as well! It’s just much easier to edit files without needing to move your hands and/or use a touchpad/mouse.
At the time vi was originally developed, such keyboards did exist (on terminals). That’s the reason it works the way it does.
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My netbook has a keyboard without Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, Ins and Del keys. Vim and Emacs modes make it significantly more usable while remaining small. Vim is also convenient in Termux, for quick remote fixes from a phone.
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fluency. languages are hard to learn but when you know them you communicate better. same as touch-typing, or mobas.
It’s not “designed to be as unfriendly as possible”, it’s designed to be exactly what you configure it to be, that’s why I love it. Every keymap, every screen position, every worflow, the way it searches through lines and files names, everything was configured by me, so whenever I do something in my editor it always make absolute sense for me, because it was literally made for me.
If you get me to someone else’s neovim config I would probably be absolutely lost because it’s a very unique experience for each person, some people like to bloat it out with plugins others like to keep it bare minimum and so on.
One biggest lie abput vim is the productivity, it doesn’t make you that much faster in comparison to any other editor if you take the time to learn the keymaps from them, the real strong point of neovim is having an editor that is absolutely tailor made for you in a way you cannot achieve in OOB editors.
yes, i can get behind the configurability, lets you make the program into your own personal tool nicely. my problem is that you have to do it in such difficult and unintuitive way. though it has been very long time since i last took a look at vim, so maybe things have improved and its easier to configure now, i doubt it though.
So it would be nice if getting into it was easier even if you havent used it as your main editor for last 50 years. not being able to even exit vim without looking up guide for it demonstrates this quite nicely.
Nowadays there many neovim distros that come setup with everything and you can learn as you go, but definitely not user-friendly still and the distros kind kill the point for me personally.
I totally understand prefering users friendly tools, but I think that fornevery software there is always some degree of granularity that makes it user unfriendly.
You asked about what the hype about vim was, I tell you: it’s the granularity of the configuration it’s 100% not it’s user friendliness.
It tells you how to exit if you press ctrl+C, which is many people’s first instinct.
Learn Vim motions and use a plugin for another IDE. You are losing so much time and mental energy using a mouse for coding. You can also use something like NVChad with NVim and have a Vim that looks more like modern ides.
maybe it really would be worth the effort to learn 🤔
That’s the really hard part. You will be really slow before you get fast again. I couldn’t practice at work without getting fired for getting nothing done. I had to learn at home doing projects, which also means those project basically made no progress for a while. There are some really cool things that people never talk about. Like NeoVim has this integration with JetBrains rider that acts as a bridge and connects the two. Changes are live on both and you only switch to Rider to debug.
Friendly is useful in an application you use once a week. Anything you want to work with daily, like a text editor, needs to be efficient.
In terms of command line editors,
vimis extremely powerful and relatively easy to get started with, once you know how to get into insert mode and then save/quit.nano/picoare easier to learn but less powerful, andemacsis probably more powerful thanvim, and more daunting to learn. Also,vimis installed on almost all systems, so there’s not really any extra work to get started using it.The cult of vim feels very superior for being able to plow through its user-hostility
I learned (neo)vim this last year. It really wasn’t that bad. You need to learn like maybe a dozen hotkeys to get going, but after that you can do
:h <topic>for everything else. And it’s not even like you lose full functionality of your mouse, at least neovim supports a lot of mouse movementsMy preferred text editors are Neovim and Kate
Kate has some convenient features, mainly the easy GUI. Neovim is the CLI text editor that I find works best for me.
The Vi editing mode in Kate is also good, without a need to install any extensions, just one tick in the settings.
Just like me fr
First funny thing ive seen Microslop Copilot do…
Ngl, there have been some times when i Ctrl-Z, then found and killed the PID
Copilot is just like me!
I didn’t think I could be replaced until now.
