WHY? China SPIES on their Citizens and Commits GENOCIDE!
-People OK with their Tax Dollars funding both Palantir and Israel!
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let me preface this by saying I hate the direction the U.S. government has taken (both in general and more as of late), but
> “Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China”
[squints]
[looks over at China]
Well, not yet they don’t, I guess. But hey, 2026 isn’t even half over yet, we still got time to get this world war started proper.
This keeps coming up. Go Google search the last time China used military force to get something done.
Eventually you have to realize the only people who see potential war everywhere are Americans.
> “Guess who doesn’t bomb countries for breakfast? China”
[squints]
Sorry, I think they meant they don’t bomb countries in the material world that actually exists. In the speculative fantasy world that exists in your head, I’m sure they do all kinds of absolutely horrible things.
In fact, I think it’s high time that the imaginary world places imaginary sanctions on imaginary China.
Oh wow, you’re all the way into the organ harvesting stuff, that’s deep in the propaganda lore.
You know Falun Gong claims that the reason China is supposedly harvesting their organs is because they claim their organs have mystical powers? Do you believe that too, or is China just doing it because of some generic comic book supervillain motivations?
riiiight, Wikipedia, which lists multiple different sources you’re free to follow, is “propaganda” now. 🤡
Though, now I’m confused. If Wikipedia is “propaganda”, now, why do you link to it in posts as a credible source?
Lmao. Did you actually read beyond the title of anything you linked?
A 2006 report by a U.S. congressional research staffer questioned the credibility of Kilgour-Matas’s first report and stated that American officials in China were unable to verify organ harvesting allegations at a hospital in Shenyang.[12] Dissenters have cited the allegations’ inconsistency with other data, rejection by lawyers representing Falun Gong practitioners, and implausibility of the numbers.[13]
A 2017 article by The Washington Post disputes that China secretly conducts 60,000 to 100,000 organ transplants per year.[13] Data compiled by Quintiles IMS show China’s share of global demand for immunosuppressant drugs, which are necessary to prevent the bodies of patients from rejecting transplanted organs, was approximately in line with the proportion of global transplants China said it performed.[13] The journal also reports that lawyers who had represented Falun Gong practitioners rejected organ harvesting allegations and quotes a lawyer had “never heard of organs being taken from live prisoners” after defending 300 to 400 adepts of the movement.[13] According to health official Huang Jiefu, who has been working with an American surgeon to transform China’s transplant practices, a total of 13,238 organ transplant operations were performed in 2016.[13] Xu Jiapeng, a Quintiles IMS account manager in Beijing, said it was “unthinkable” to operate a clandestine system that the data on immunosuppressants did not pick up.[13] An Australian surgeon and vocal critic of China’s past transplant practices said it would not be plausible for the country to have more transplantations per year than the United States without that information leaking out.[13]
Oh cool, now we both agree Wikipedia isn’t propaganda again? Super, I’m glad we’ve established that. :D
I did in fact read it first. There are a total of four, count 'em, four paragraphs under the “Counterarguments” section (one of which isn’t actually a counterargument but we’ll get to that). That’s almost the length of an acceptable fourth grade book report. I’m very proud, as well as at your restraint at only directly copy and pasting one of them (and the other from the article lead – now I know the only two sections you actually bothered to read). Most of that entire section cites that same source, the Washington Post article.
I wonder how many subsections there are under the “Evidence” section?
… Hmmmm. Well, okay, okay, maybe they’re all really really short and poorly sourced! How do they stack up against the refutations?
Ahhhh. Golly, dozens of sources, lots to read – they’ve even got helpful diagrams for the slow tankies. Well, since you clearly went and picked out the quotes you liked best, now’s my turn. :3
Bo Xilai was governor of Liaoning province, which researchers believe was a major center for organ harvesting.[who?] The World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong made phone calls to mid- and high-level officials with prior connections to Bo, posing as members of the Communist Party’s discipline and inspection body that was building a case against him. They asked questions about the chain of command involved in procuring organs from prisoners, including Falun Gong practitioners. When asked about Bo’s involvement in organ harvesting, one senior Politburo member reportedly told investigators that Standing Committee member and security chief Zhou Yongkang “is in charge of this specifically. He knows it.”[72]
A city-level official in Liaoning province was asked by investigators what instructions Bo Xilai may have given on organ removal from Falun Gong prisoners. The official replied: “I was asked to take care of this task. Party central is actually taking care of this… Bo was involved quite positively. At that time we mainly talked about it during the meetings within the Standing Committee.”[verification needed] The official ended the call after realizing that he had not confirmed the caller’s identity.[72]
Emphasis mine.
And oh, hey, the very next paragraph after the one you quoted about that Washington Post article, that’s a good one too.
Kilgour, Matas, Gutmann, and experts in fields such as medicine wrote to the Post saying that drug prices can be 2.5 to 4 times cheaper in China than in the U.S., making sales data an unreliable proxy for dosage, and that a country’s global share of immunosuppressant sales does not need to match its share of transplantations, citing Japan and the U.S. as counterexamples.[144] Their letter also states that most Chinese hospitals have an unofficial pharmacy whose “significant” amount of business data are not included in IMS figures.[144]
“If you don’t believe that, there’s multiple different sources for you to follow.”
Both the US and China are awful for their own shared and distinct reasons. Anyone who disagrees is either a tankie or a MAGA asshole. That said, no country on the planet is morally perfect.
It’s clear which of these two superpowers is a greater threat to the world.
It always blows my mind to look at that graph. Almost even in 2017 and then it just plummets 30 points over the next 6 years. Nothing even changed, I don’t see any discernable reason for it, it was just that the media decided to start shitting on China and making them public enemy #1 for a bit (sparking a massive “unexplained” rise in anti-Asian hate crimes). Obviously they got all the blame for COVID to distract from all the domestic policy failures, but the shift in public opinion started before that.
If you ask people why they suddenly had negative views of China, they’d just cite things like “China has billionaires,” or “China saber-rattles over Taiwan,” or other stuff that’s been true for decades. Those things were just as true in 2017 when China had 43% favorability among Americans, or in 2011 when it was 52-37.
That’s the power of propaganda.
Yeah, europeans too, I’m sure. At least relatively.
China’s been doing a masterclass of “don’t stop your enemies when they’re fucking up”.
