cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46148690
Over the past few days, @MrKaplan@lemmy.world/@MrKaplan@piefed.world has banned multiple users, blocked entire comms, and now defederated from Anarchist.Nexus over their anti-Zionist stance.
This extreme overreaction and general power trippin’ bastard behavior stems from Lemmy.world’s history of pro-Zionist views. And now MrKaplan is seeking out the flimsiest pretext to to enact his own personal vendetta.
Free Palestine, Death to Israel, Death to Zionism.
Lemmy.world is a ZioNazi instance. Avoid it like the plague.
Hilarious, i wonder if Dbzero will defederate too since they have the flotilla thing with anarchistnexus
Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face
I hope they do. The more they defederate, the more people will be willing to move to alternatives and finally leave them behind. People put up with Lemmy.world because of their size and how federated they are. When they defederate servers for being anti-Zionist they will lose their edge quickly.
Axis.world becoming fascist instance was going to happen eventually, they will probably call the flotilla instances tankie extremists to try to save face
We’ve been call Tankie extremists for wanting Harris to support popular polices and illegally send weapons for genocide.
Even within their electorial framework of “change” they still get mad at wanting to end genocide. Fuck em.
That’s exactly what they’ll do. It’s the ultimate libs move, everyone to their left or makes them feel uncomfortable with capitalism is an extremist, apparently.
certain users there already do
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I’m calling for everyone to mass instance block world. Keep their blunders contained.
what comms do you recommend for news? i had LW blocked for a while because i found their consistent tolerance for mods promoting moral apathy unacceptable, however, then i found myself out of the loop news relevant to me.
i guess as long as i’m asking, i encourage others to post more to !world@quokk.au and some US focused news community or another. i know Beehaw has one but i can’t find it right now
There also !usa@quokk.au, but it’s not as active.
I like the Midwest instances us comm for US news. !usa@midwest.social
!politics@piefed.social for US politics could be good to get going again. Needs a new active mod however.
i appreciate you
Thanks ❤️
I like seeing your comments in the wild, so many good takes!
that’s a relief. my comment count is so high and i often write up walls of text without even realizing i’ve done it. i often worry i make the threadiverse a worse place to be
It will be such a waste to defederate one of the biggest instances because of this idiot…
Edited: clarification.
the 1 idiot is the head admin that can just unilaterally decide what to do. Meanwhile hexbear has huge threads voting on who to defederate, but guess who is known as “aUtHoRiTaRiAn”
Doesn’t matter whom hexbears vote to defederate - a lot of other instances defederate them firstly, usually. Secondly, problematic admins can be in any instances, but still people do use that instances because of all the other content placed there.
So lets deny them our content. Push back.
Sounds reasonable but still problematic to migrate.
how is it problematic when a community member consistently causes problems in your community to disengage from them? i must be missing something
The problem is that it is not just a comunity member or a guest, but an admin, who runs all the instance. For example, you have a big old community on that instance and you cannot easily just migrate to another instance just because of you do not like the admin. You either coop and remain there or is forced to make a bold move. You sure can ban a random guy from your comunity without a problem, but not if this guy is an admin of your instance and is a jerk, that can avenge you by messing with the whole community.
P. S. Sure, I could have missed something.
No they don’t? Afaik hexbear is the one to defederate? Also anarchist flottilla are the only other ones to hold defederation votes, so my point still stands.
There are 3 main reasons to defederate instance, that I have encountered: political/social views; incompatible instances policies(like protecting spammers/trolls or just 1 admin hates others); technical issues(like connection lags). Unless instance is politically neutral or matches to the hexbear(like ml), it often defederates hexbear or any other instance(ml is an exception here since it is like the main developer’s instance and so on).
Ok you’re just making the same claim again but with different words?
Like you can find the defederation votes with a quick search: https://hexbear.net/search?q=defederat+vote&type=Posts&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false
I dont wanna list them all because almost every single one has some internet drama involved that I dont want to resurface, but you’ll find most of the big instances were defederate by hexbear first.
Okay, then.
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Have you been paying attention to Jordanlund? This isn’t a one off thing.
One? This is the first time? How many times over how many nazis has this come up?
For me this is the first time here to see an admin of world does this shit. I don’t deny that I could have missed something.
Its mostly been mods before, but always with admin backing. Using size to say ‘you cant defederate from us’.
Longer wait bigger problem.
It is an ongoing and well documented issue unfortunately
I instance blocked .world a while ago and the quality of my All feed instantly improved.
death to zionism! death to the iof!
free palestine. from the river to the sea!
Of course he did. He’s a fucking baby and .world is a toxic shithole. lolol
PTB!
LW does have a large “Reddit refuge lib” problem
“I can’t believe I got dunked on by the hexbears, communists really ARE terrorists! Also? We should execute the homeless. I am very smart.”
Barely hyperbole. ‘Violemce bad, vivisect the damn commies!’
I draw the line at violence against people, unless the usa say they are the enemy then it’s fine so so many people on world or piefed when pointing out someone is calling for collective punishment against civilians
Collect your free .world instance ban here, all you need to do is respond with “Fuck the FHF Shitlibs”:
Fuck the FHF shitlibs
Fuck the FHF Shitlibs
Also free “your country is run by pedophiles, you are made to die for Israel” and “death to the IDF” just in case anyone has them on their bingo,
If they’re going to defederate from anarchist.nexus they should defederate from us too. Anarchist.nexus is managed by the same admin team and has the same anti-Zionist policies as this instance.
By the way just created !meanwhileonworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com for people to post about this more.
something tells me he likely is pro-zionist israeli himself.
Seeing as this all started because one person said the FHF enables Zionism and censors pro-palestine content, which was then censored? Yeah.
Or him ignoring Jordanlund complaints that involved him censoring pro Palestinian news or stories about Israel.
Lol you’re still federating with .zionism?
I’m new here but I saw this yesterday and I hope it’s not all like this?
It’s mostly just a few bad instances, lemmy.world, piefed.world, feddit.org I think are the main offenders.
lemmy.ca has been engaging in it too. Although it might be just one of their admins acting alone since they aren’t german or part of FHF.
Lemmy.ca is in cahoots with them. Someone messaged the admins a few days ago about it all and they ignored it despite being online and posting.
We’re not in cahoots with anyone on this, we’re just busy. Please keep in mind we’re all donating our time and just because we’re browsing and commenting, doesn’t mean we have the time / energy to sit down at our PC to dig through mod logs & user history to look into things right away. I personally do most of my lemmy surfing on mobile, not well suited to digging into mod logs.
We’ll get back to that message, just give us time. We all have busy lives outside of lemmy too.
I’ve been informed it’s been about 5 days since the message was sent, is there some sort of ETA on when a response can be expected?
End of the weekend at the latest.
Replied here - https://lemmy.ca/post/63942911
Sorry maybe I overreacted, thanks for the work you do.
Thank you for your work, take care !
sh.itjust.works
Don’t worry, you’re on one of the good instances.
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My god I never expected dbzer0 to capitulate to these buttholes at lemmy.world
.world politics try to pretend to be neutral on israel, but any mention of accusing them of zionism, or any people linked to israel is a potential violation to them, they will call you anti-semite(insinuate)
Oh my. We definitely will uproot the zionism in Lemmy by … let me check … getting defederated. Great LARPing. Also BPR.
Lets instead come up with methods that might actually be useful in pushing back zionism on Lemmy. Because for sure this aint it.
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Yes I love answering good faith questions! /s
Dunno, maybe instead cosplaying militancy, instance admins and supporting users could try to build a coalition of instances & communities to pressure lemmy.world to change their stance on zionism but also on their admins power tripping.
So like this but online.
i disagree. the fediverse is a vote with your feet situation from my observations of it the past 10 years. with lemmy.world, we have
- asked nicely, and seen them do nothing
- asked rudely, and seen them perform the theatrics of something all while doing nothing
- created easy paths for people to follow away from the most influential lemmy.world communities, and still the problem persists
- and now we’re here. it seems like lemmy.world’s administrators will never change. i treat their users like they’re capable of change, just not necessarily aware, however, lemmy.world’s size has created in their admin team’s minds an attitude that they know best for the fediverse. i even find the name of their umbrella org, Fediverse Hosting Foundation a little concerning. it seems to de-emphasize their role in hosting a section of the fediverse and implies a higher degree of central importance than i’d ever want
but then. i’m just a rural boy from a dead mining town in what the early anarchist philosophers in Russia called a “resource colony,” “internal colony,” or “sacrifice zone.”
There is a difference between asking nicely / rudely and speaking collectively with the ability to present actual consequences, such as defederation of most non lemmy.world instances or full boykott of all lemmy.world communities.
such as defederation
Yeah?
And how exactly do you plan on “pressuring” them? Be specific
How about you first tell me what your plan is? Be specific
A) dodging the question, I don’t need to have my own plan to criticize yours, if you actually had a good plan you’d have no reason not to answer plainly, you’ve got nothing
B) my plan is dedederating, fucking duh
Great minds think alike :)
tbh, I don’t think db0 is prepared to take down the datacenter FHF is hosted at. Otherwise we would get 404 errors from
.worldinstances.
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