But does she wear it because she likes it or does she believe “women have to hide their hair”
I feel like the second comment is acting deliberately obtuse, like it was a fashion choice without any further meaning behind it, even though that further meaning is obviously what the first comment is getting at.
There is a very political side to it too, whether you like it or not, at a time when women are being murdered for not wearing one.
That wouldn’t be “wearing whatever she wants” but “wearing it because she thinks she has to”.
I can’t speak from a Muslim perspective, but I can speak from an ex-christian fundamentalist perspective and I think that sometimes, even when we’ve made progress it can be hard to let go of some of the beliefs that direct affect you.
I stopped being a Christian when I became an adult but when I got pregnant I still held tightly to the belief that abortion was murder. I felt it was fine for others to go and do because we all have the right to choose what we do with our bodies, I knew women who’d had abortions, and I never once thought I would go to hell for it, but after a lifetime of conditioning it just felt wrong for me to do. Now I wouldn’t hesitate to get an abortion if I needed one.
Even when one has unpacked the luggage, it can take some time to reorganize it all and discard what you don’t need.
This is what bugs me. A lot of feminists are “it’s the woman’s choice what to do with her body” … and then hypocritically condemn women who choose “wrong”.
So much of the (usually American, sadly) Left is about attacking other leftists for not being pure enough while the right walks in lockstep.
I know, there are oppressive reasons the majority of women that wear hijabs in certain places do it for. But if it’s in America for example, and not because of her family you don’t really know enough about her beliefs about herself to really question it either tbh. She is probably hated for wearing it when she doesn’t have to.
Hijab/niqab are a tool of the patriarchy. They keep women subservient to men. Abrahamic religions are inherently patriarchal and misogynistic. Women don’t wear them because they want to, they wear them because they feel they have to.
And invalidating a woman’s feminism because she wears a hijab is a tool of the patriarchy. That is the point.
Well, I’m glad you’re here to tell us how women feel. For a moment there I thought I might have had to listen to a woman’s opinion.
Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.
And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don’t do out of free will is what? Oh wait, it sounds not only inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, but also absolutely western centric and islamophobic.
Now all you have to do is to tell me that you want to see their beautiful hair, and their nice figure, and we have a bingo.
Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.
Yeah, people disagreeing with the OP aren’t doing so out of a consistent commitment to feminism, they’re largely doing it out of orientalism.
Lots of women wear Hijab’s for reasons not overtly enforced by men. Lots of Muslim women don’t wear them. Lots of Muslim women who choose to wear hijabs put an awful lot of effort into styling them in ways that make them feel good. Lots of non-Muslim middle easterners wear them because that’s a part of the world with lots of sand, and getting that shit in your hair sucks.
Believe it or not, an entire religion and part of the world isn’t as simple as images of ISIS ghouls killing women for not wearing a Niqab.
If the men are also covering their hair (which is true of some middle eastern societies like the Berber people, traditional Qatari clothing, traditional Saudi clothing, etc, and Sikhs), then it’s not specifically ostracizing women in a society. But that is not true of traditional Muslim face coverings for women. And while I agree that there are plenty of sexist practices in Western society meant to hold women in their place, that hardly excuses the sexism practiced in much (not all) of modern Islam. Two things can be wrong.
Yes, of course two things can be wrong, but Muslims in western countries are usually already seen as foreign elements in society, and focusing on their oppression usually leads to even worse oppression (see e.g. France banning the Hijab in official roles, pushing out hijabi Muslims).
In my honest opinion it would be better to focus on fighting the western oppression of women. I think the liberation of women will happen by itself, given some time and the right conditions. (See Ilhan Abdullahi Omar, who is arguably more emancipated than the average western woman in a traditional relationship)
As to the question if men cover their hair, if men wear hot pants, if men wear spaghetti tops, I believe this is just a distraction, because I do not believe that feminism means totally equal clothing, but rather equal rights and opportunities.
And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don’t do out of free will is what?
Where did they do that?
“Women should not wear the Hijab, that’s oppression!”
What you say is generally true, however it is not always true. Some women have successfully been deceived (possibly by themselves) that it is not about oppression.
This is such a paternalistic attitude to have.
These kind of posts were pretty common post 9/11 as well. People who don’t actually care about women suddenly super concerned about this issue. But ask them about the issues closest to them and they are definitely not supportive of feminism.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I totally support her wearing one. In some cultures me wearing clothing covering my top half could be seen as OTT but it’s really important to me that I wear it. Covering my top half when meme don’t automatically have to can be seen as patriarchy, but I would feel awful without wearing tops.
Hold on, you can’t be a real feminist, you’re wearing a hat ! 😂
In real life, the thing you can’t do to if you’re a real feminist is (attempt to) force other women to wear, or not wear, a particular type of hat.
Oh but you see, brown women are all helpless brainwashed babies incapable of making their own decisions!
You think you’re jesting, but I’ve seen exactly that attitude coming from feminist groups in my university days. Indeed it was exactly that attitude that killed the NAC in Canada.
The people who say things like the top person are the same people who claim that they’re feminists when all they do is attack trans people.
Side-comment: what a surprise that the account posting the surface-level (quite possibly disingenuous) comment has what appears (to me) to be an AI-generated profile pic of a (conventionally) attractive slim blonde woman! It’s almost like it’s not an actual woman making the comment, and they’re making the comment primarily for/towards other non-women…
More seriously, it reeks of the same tone as Musk’s “concerning.” tweets.
100% agreed and, indeed, people try to shame hijab wearers in my presence at intense risk of their eardrums.
A woman wearing a t-shirt saying “Fuck Feminism”
Feminist of not?
Gratuitous mention of edge case.
Derailing or not?
spoiler
Yes.
edited to add
Relevant Obscure Song Reference
https://burkaband.bandcamp.com/album/burka-blue-single
Burka blue My mother wears a burka My father does it too I have to wear a burka The burka, it is blue
The sky over Kabul is also very blue The blue is from the burka Burka, burka blue
Blue, blue Burka blue
My grandma wears a burka And my grandpa does it too I will wear this burka But only just for you
Blue, blue Burka blue Blue, blue Burka blue
We all now wear a burka You don’t know who is who If you want to meet your sister It can be your uncle too
Blue, blue Burka blue
You give me all your love You give me all your kisses And then you touch my burka And do not know who is it
Blue, blue Burka blue Blue, blue Burka blue
My mother wears blue jeans now And I am so suprised The dents are changing faster I don’t know if it’s right
Blue, blue Burka blue Blue, blue Burka blue
Ah yes. A song that consists 80% of repeating the word “burka” is absolutely relevant here. Thank you for sharing this extremely useful contribution.
My pleasure, friend.
What about a woman wearing a SS uniform, or a shirt saying “women’s place is in the kitchen”?
People do dumb things and act against what’s best for them all the time.
The answer is not to police the clothing. That’s a symptom of problems, not the cause. What you can do is to inform and hopefully change the attitudes.
Religion has often been made to coexist with secular values. Meanwhile, people support shit politics out of ignorance and pressure.
I would have worn the second one when I was a chef.
That would have been a hilarious choice, in fact!
What about obvious troll being obvious?
Even if you do something that is an oxymoron, that doesn’t invalidate your position. I don’t know if this is a good comparison, but I guess you could ask the same with makeup. Even if I don’t do it by choice and wear it because I’m being pressured into it, doesn’t make me less of a feminist or “weird” or whatever. Peer pressure can be very very subtle and we have a lot of internalized stuff going on that we may not have noticed is there yet
