• アイス ( Ice@lemmy.zip ) 
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    This makes the fundamental assumption that the job has to be done by a human.

    In this day and age, a whole lot of “poor people jobs” can be automated (at least to some degree). That happens whenever the supply of people available to do the job cheaper than the capital cost of the machine dries up.

    Everybody raising their qualifications to work “better jobs” is one way to do that.

      • アイス ( Ice@lemmy.zip ) 
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        It isn’t an argument at all, merely fact. The dynamic applies regardless of whether we like it or not. Jobs will be eliminated, some humans will be made redundant and be unable to adapt into higher-value labour.

        At that point, the only real choice in the matter is whether society pays these people to sit around and do nothing (welfare), requires them to work a meaningless job or lets them die of poverty.

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            Even with free higher education, there are people who either don’t want to or can’t participate. Here in Sweden for instance we’ve had huge troubles integrating the MENA migrant wave of the 2010s into the job market, despite education being not just free but compensated by the gov:t.

            A decade after the fact and this group is still hugely overrepresented in unemployment unfortunately (>5x). Many fuckups in that puzzle, but availability of education isn’t one of them.

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      When I was in the US the last time (must be around 20 years ago) there was a man in booth in a parking garage. It was something I had naver really seen in germany before. All our garages were already automated back then.

      Later I thought about that and got to the conclusion that this person’s work must be cheaper than just putting up an automated system.

      The US seems to have a few other jobs that I had never seen in germany. Greeter, bagger, sign spinner.

      I don’t know what it looks like today but for me that looks like jobs just to make people work.

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        I’m in the US and I park in a large hospital’s parking garage a few times a year because one of my doctors has their office there.

        They have automated systems AND a human in a booth. I think the human is mostly there to fix problems because the automated system uses paper tickets to track your time in the garage.

        Many times in the past there has been a human standing at the ticket dispensing machine who would push the button as you roll up and hand you your parking slip.

        Americuuuuh!

    • rumba ( rumba@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Ohh it’s not necessary, it can be automated. Then a tablet can take the order/payment. then you don’t need managers.

      Cleaning, Maintenance, and Unemployment. That’s what our grandchildren will be left with. And maybe not cleaning if the design is done well enough.

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      Enabling mass-migration into rich countries just means brown people will become the new underclass

      Only true for societies with job shortages, which hasn’t been the case for most of history and is quite unique to capitalism. In a socialist society with full employment, mass migration would be more than welcome, as socialists understand that labor is the source of value and the means to betterment of society.