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all_i_see ( MashedHobbits@lemy.lol )  to World News@quokk.au · 4 months ago

Kremlin outraged by detention of Russian shadow fleet tanker, calls it "piracy"

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Kremlin outraged by detention of Russian shadow fleet tanker, calls it "piracy"

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all_i_see ( MashedHobbits@lemy.lol )  to World News@quokk.au · 4 months ago
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Kremlin spokesman Peskov stated that France's actions regarding the Russian tanker Tagor border on piracy and are unlawful.
  • Mihies ( Mihies@programming.dev ) 
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    Ok, how do we call it when a state does piracy?

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      We don’t, as it’s impossible for a state to commit piracy.

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        ie illegally according to international law seize a foreign ship in international waters and sell it’s cargo for own profit. How do we call that? Not talking about this case.

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          Depends what the foreign ship was up to. Could be drug interdiction, sanctions enforcement, warfare etc.

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            Let’s say transporting oil. Nothing illegal according to international laws.

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              Depends on the ship. You may remember an incident a few months ago where the US intercepted a tanker departing Venuzuela. The tanker was trying to evade sanctions by flying a false flag. This made it stateless and therefore it was within the rights of the US to sieze it and its cargo.

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                US to sieze it and its cargo.

                Is it really? I get seizure and everything, but selling it - I guess that could be possible only if owner didn’t pay a fine and wouldn’t oppose it legally?

                OTOH what’d happen if the ship is in order and it still happened that? Or just seizure and torture of its crew just like happened with Global Sumud Flotilla?

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                  Getting off topic here. The actions of a state may not be lawful or justifiable, but they aren’t piracy.

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                    Sure, but how do we call such actions? Just unlawful?

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      A state can’t do piracy itself, so nothing. Define your question in words that are not self contradictory.

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