Probably a good decision in the long run, their rational makes sense. Ubuntu’s stubborn insistence on snap is poor decision making on their part.
I run Tuxedo as my daily driver and look forward to the more rolling release focused strategy.
rationale* or, better word choice, reasoning*
Ubuntu in general I find tends to fixate on one particular thing that not many people are asking for (Unity, Mir, that “convergent phone” thing they were doing for a while, now Snaps) and let everything else stagnate until they get the thing to be almost decent, then they dump it and go chasing after the next shiny object.
I can see why it would be a bit troublesome to base a distro around. I assume that’s why Mint keeps that LMDE version running as well.
When my Tuxedo Pulse arrived, I turned it on once to marvel at the fact that it started up straight into Linux. Then restarted it to install Arch btw and never looked back. Fantastic laptop, tho.
thinking of a new Tuxedo Lemur Pro or Framework 13Pro , still unsure. Framework seems to have the better screen?
Can’t comment on the Lemur Pro, but the Pulse has an excellent screen. Was wanting more pixels than a 1080p screen but 4K incurs ridiculous cost and tends to be available on “laptops that don’t fit on your lap”. 2880x1800 @ 120 Hz means your fonts look really crisp and updates are smooth.
I think you should check out the starbook horizon as well
Moving away from Ubuntu makes absolute sense from what they describe.
I do wonder though, is basing a distro on Debian Testing a good idea? I understand them not wanting to go to the Debian stable as they already have issues with big drift for the cutting edge tools they want to ship breaking have the unintended consequences of breaking stable software. But Debian Testing will add in a constant shift in all the packages; they may be more recent but there is a much greater exposure to bugs.
Tuxedo’s OS will itself become a testing ground for packages in a way it wasn’t before. They’re both moving away from Ubuntu AND moving away from a LTS base. Though I suppose they can always re-base to Debian Stable at it’s next big release if they do find it too cumbersome.
Still, I wonder if this will happen with other distros. I know Mint has a Debian flavour which is seemingly described as a backup “plan B” in-case they felt the need to shift. I can also see the constant forcing of Snap into the ecosystem, and now the vague AI stuff that Tuxedo quote would also prompt a lot of distros to decide how dependent should they be on Ubuntu going forward.
Ubuntu is moving to MIT and could pull a CentOS at any time.
Many distros are now based on Debian Testing. I feel like they could come together and maintain a shared stable base, similar to what Ubuntu used to be for them. Kinda like the Open Gaming Collective guys did for their kernel development.
Switching to something rolling release makes sense. My Arch setup (btw) has always felt much more stable than when I was using Ubuntu, because with Ubuntu I’d inevitatebly run into a bug, find out it was fixed months ago but won’t be backported, and then either live with it or try custom-installing the newer version of that thing. Or I’d install something manually that expected dependency X be the latest version, etc.
That’s exactly why I moved to Arch too…
I don’t recall what it was, but the fixed upstream version had been around for months, so I just moved.
I’ve even helped report / triage bugs, and they’ve been fixed and appeared in updates, which gives a good feeling
Is Mint planning the same? I know they have their debian edition, but don’t remember of it was meant to become the main edition at some point.
I think it’s just a proof of concept in case they feel the need to switch the base. I didn’t head anything indicating that’s the case already
Probably. It is good as a backup though, they have options this way, if they decide Ubuntu isn’t a suitable base anymore, they already have things in motion.
The first one to jump ship. Many more to come.
Two layers of “based on” in your OS is indeed a bit much.
Good decision. Ubuntu is a highly complex and specific all-in-one distribution never meant for customization.
While I wouldn’t want my system to be Debian Testing, I’m pretty happy that more people are testing sid.
That’ll be good for all of us.
Yeah, the Testing repo is an odd choice… but I guess still much better than Ubuntu by now…
Natural selection.
Interesting. They are concerned about security updates delay, but then there is this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-manual/ch10.en.html#security-support-testing
Basically, it says that testing gets security updates later than stable and unstable.
Using
debsecanto pull security updates fromsidandexperimentalis trivial to setup.
Don’t know about using a Debian Testing base, just because the word “testing” does not inspire confidence.
Ever heard of Sid from Toy Story?
Having btrfs+snapper set up by default sounds good. I wish Debian-based distros in general would finally make a move there. It’s a bit of a meme that folks laud Debian for its stability, but you can easily break it with one wrong command.
And who knows, maybe TuxedoOS adopting it can serve as a proof of concept and get Debian itself to adopt btrfs sooner.
