• dasrael ( dasrael@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Carney is a fiscal conservative, so let’s get that straight. His concerns are Canadian independence, sovereignty and growth. He’s thinking about keeping the country economically viable and strong through this period of turmoil and “new world order” shift as the US is keen to dump its global hegemony.

    Now… with that said, I’m sure he does care about the climate, but it totally takes a back seat to these other issues which he sees as being essentially existential.

    I think it’s an order of priorities and people who service the constant crisis/boom cycle of capitalism will never get correct. Humans are party animals and no amount of good sense is going to change that. It’s going to take burning this bitch to the ground and immense loss of life to change tack, and only then it will be because it becomes the predominant existential problem.

    As long as most people can still shit somewhat comfortably, nothing will be done to upset that directly, ever. This is why so many bad things can happen and the average person wont lift a finger, because they still have a nice seat waiting for them at home to shit on.

    • If Carney cared about the Canadian economy.

      1. He’d seize and rebuild the refineries that Brian Mulroney(also a fiscal con) allowed to be moved to Washington State. As it is, US oil companies get to sell our raw product offshore and worse, then sell it back to us. BC communities assume a risk of annihilation for zero benefit.
      2. He’d put oil pipelines to Ontario/New Bruinswick/Nova Scotia with the intent of shipping oil to Europe. You know, a market that actually wants and needs more.
      3. He’d tell the US lumber lobby to pound sand and help rural BC instead of them being ignored by all except the reform party crazies.
    • If he cared about sovereignty, he wouldn’t entertain Alberta separatism and should try to call it out for what it is.

      Mark’s concerns are the bottom line. Always have been. Guy’s net worth is 10mil - i don’t think he even knows what the average Canadian (i.e. 1/4 go hungry) even feel.

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    What’s a really disturbing red flag for me is he keeps touting carbon capture as a solution to offset the new damage. Feels like marketing strategy to allay the fears of people who don’t have the time to look into its effectiveness. I thought CCS was just something he used during the campaign and won’t be actually leaning into.

  • I admit I voted for this scumbag’s party for the first time ever strategically (I thought) in order to prevent an even bigger scumbag in PP from becoming PM. Considering his actions in office re: climate I will NEVER vote Liberal again

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      This kind of approach is why the NDP hasn’t had any presence in Ontario for years. Many people took the attitude of “I’ll never vote NDP again” because of Bob Rae. Guess what… Different people can have different ideas and priorities, even if they belong to the same political party.

      • True. I am an NDP voter generally but faced with the state of the party last election coupled with the spectre of PP as PM (really any position with more authority than dog catcher tbh) I held my nose and voted Liberal. After having lived in Ottawa and meeting a load of Liberals (arrogant scum is an understatement…the stories I could tell) I should have known better. Lesson learned.

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      I am not even remotely a fan of much of the things Carney is doing, but to paint him as a Trump sycophant is just bullshit.

      Most people who voted Liberal in the last election went into it full well knowing Canada was electing a red conservative, but the alternative was way fucking worse.

      We could have ended up with an actual Trump sycophant.

        • ragepaw ( ragepaw@lemmy.ca ) 
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          As a member of the NDP, who voted specifically AGAINST PP as my MP, I knew exactly what I was doing, and so did all of my friends and neighbours.

          Anyone who didn’t see a red conservative wasn’t paying attention.

          • Appointed to Governor of BoE under a Conservative.
          • Appointed to Governor of BoC under a Conservative.
          • He wrote a book about markets and stakeholder capitalism.
          • His book said the job of the state is to clear hurdles.
          • He wrote that true prosperity is driven by wealth generation and global trade
          • He worked at Goldman Sachs.
          • He had an article written about him in 2021 that called him a “Bay Street Liberal”.
          • At the 2024 Convention, long before Trudeau resigned, he spoke against the financial policies of the Liberals and talked about wealth creation.
          • He worked at Brookfield.

          And so on, and so on.

          Still a thousand times better than the alternative.

          • So in order to defeat Conservatives you voted for a Conservative? You forgot to mention that his dissertation is heavily based on Game Theory. Weird that the guy with a Doctorate in Game Theory framed an election as a zero sum game.

            Let’s not forget in 2018 when the Conservative’s told Paul Wells they were going to do everything possible to get rid of the carbon tax. Then ran over Trudeau for years and years until it finally worked. Even Brown was a victim to this when CTV published slander to get him out of the OPC leadership race. Then the CPC just DQ’d him from Leadership.

            But hey, you really stuck it to the guy you didn’t like by voting for his platform in a different suit.

              • Don’t really see much of a difference. Which once again was evident during the election when they had the same platforms. But hey, not like there isn’t a third option in Canada.

                At some point this tired talking point needs to be laid to rest. Because it’s essentially speed running Duverger’s Law and coming from the same people who bash Trudeau for ER stuff, it’s beyond hypocritical.

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                  Using technical terminology doesn’t make you right. Yes, we need to get rid of FPTP, but that doesn’t mean we should have let someone who wants to live up Trump’s ass so badly that he has it on a vision board, become PM.

                  I would rather have 5 years of sanity with a government I don’t like then have have PP become PM. Ask yourself how hated you have to be to have a riding you have held for 20 years hate you so much they boo you at a Christmas parade.

                  Given the fact that your account has existed a day, I’m going to assume you are a troll account, paid for by the CPC, an offshore asshole intentionally trying to cause issues, or you are so profoundly naive that you don’t understand how utterly fucking awful a PP government would be for us.

                  Don’t really see much of a difference.

                  This right there is enough for me to be done with you

      • Schwim Dandy ( schwim@piefed.zip ) 
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        Woah, easy there, chief. I didn’t mean to light you up this morning. I was simply basing the comment off of his climate “activism” that’s destroying your chances of actually protecting your country from it. I’m not sure how you got sycophantic behavior being insinuated but I’m sorry if that’s how it came off.

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        He wasn’t at first but now days I’m confident he just wants more money and someone like Bessent offers enough he’d literally suck Peter Thiel’s dick

        • There’s a quote in his book that I think explains it really well and turned me off of him instantly. “Crisis is not the time for reform” in context to the GFC. So while he was stumping at stating we are in a crisis, I knew he was going to be the worst version of himself.