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SocialistVibes01 ( SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml ) Banned to Linux@lemmy.ml · 3 months ago

Linus Torvalds Spent Years Dismissing AI, Only to Vouch for It

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Linus Torvalds Spent Years Dismissing AI, Only to Vouch for It

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SocialistVibes01 ( SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml ) Banned to Linux@lemmy.ml · 3 months ago
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A chronological look at how Linux's creator went from "90% marketing" to telling AI critics to fork the kernel or walk away.
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  • jokro ( jokro@feddit.org ) 
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    The titel is clickbaitish. It’s good that Linus is open to new things and updates his views. As pointed out by the article he is no ai evangelist, but rather pragmatic.

    His sent email

  • Communist ( communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ) 
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    This is misleading, he’s talking about code review tools not vibecoding…

    • ranzispa ( ranzispa@mander.xyz ) 
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      Nowhere in the title or the article is vibe coding mentioned.

  • Helix 🧬 ( helix@feddit.org ) 
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    But “90% marketing” and AI being useful isn’t mutually exclusive.

    I’d say AI is even 95% marketing but I still use it for the other 5%, where it’s actually useful. It’s just waaaaaay too expensive for the 5% use case usually.

    I’d go for smaller, more specialised models instead of trying to fit everything in a broadly incompetent jack of all trades, master of none type of LLM like they’re currently doing.

    • DevDave ( DevDave@piefed.social ) 
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      like preferably a model only trained on one language kind of idea?

      • Helix 🧬 ( helix@feddit.org ) 
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        Yes, something like that. If you use a model which is specifically trained on C(++), Assembly and Rust, as well as scientific articles about Linux and the Linux Kernel, has the whole Linux Kernel already baked in, you can probably get faster and more accurate results than if you add the whole Wikipedia in 20 languages.

        My LLM doesn’t need to answer all the questions, it’s enough if it answers the ones I want to ask. AI and the (mathematical) algorithms used for it are very old in terms of computer timeframes (think the 70s to 90s). The new part with LLMs is actually in the first “L”: large datasets. I think we have gone too large.

        And, with Linux, you have an issue with authorship if you train on copyrighted data. Reproducing code 1:1 from a non-Free textbook might be problematic, so special LLMs trained on Open/Libre texts will be safer in terms of compliance as well.

      • Hexarei ( Hexarei@beehaw.org ) 
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        Supposedly that makes them dumber in general

        • DevDave ( DevDave@piefed.social ) 
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          For a person I could understand. Now I need to go bother another code monkey I know that is specialized in ML.

          • Hexarei ( Hexarei@beehaw.org ) 
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            It’s something to do with improving the reasoning capabilities, because there are more patterns in the weights that it can activate against

  • ジン ( Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au ) 
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    I’m not trying to defend him, but it seems like he was moreso saying linux will never be a reactionary tool of principle. It seems more like an admittance that the AI is here to stay and theres little point in trying to pivot everything to reverse an unstoppable trend?

    • FoundFootFootage78 ( Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml ) 
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      I’m not trying to defend him

      Defend him from what?

      • ジン ( Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au ) 
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        Defend him against the many that disagree or otherwise anti-support his comments in this article. Apologies if you were just being rhetorical

  • geneva_convenience ( geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Because AI used to suck and it no longer sucks as hard.

    • lonesomeCat ( lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Oh it does, especially in the wrong hands

  • CarrotsHaveEars ( racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Being slightly more useful isn’t the only problem AI needs to solve. What about morality issue? Sure, slavery is very useful, but some of you, including me, ban Nestlé products. Why do you not have the same standard with products that are produced by, or assisted in production with AI?

    • alcea ( alcea@feddit.org ) 
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      If you take (read: steal) a little its a crime. If you pilfer the internets EnTiRe Dataset, its an innovation.

      Wat

  • alcea ( alcea@feddit.org ) 
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    For aiding programming it beats stackoverflow (thank goldness I dislike SO …)

    But be prepared for it to lie, make stuff up, loose context etc. AI works best if you show it the way. Hold its hand and lead it to where it should go.

    Otherwise it’ll cry in the corner talking to itself.

    Also it cannot create real new data, only glue old datasets together with pva

  • joelle_ether ( joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone ) 
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    hey freeBSD how you doin’

    • lonesomeCat ( lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml ) 
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      BSD gaming when?

  • CaptMurica ( CaptMurica@beehaw.org ) 
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    deleted by creator

    • hendrik ( hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ) 
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      You mean he has some “Claudia” like Richard Dawkins?

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