• BeUnique ( BeUnique@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Usually the ones loudest about the gay thing are in the closet. It’s because they feel a certain way when they think about it. Then they feel shame because of their backwards ass religion and overcompensate with a bunch of other in the closet religious nuts.

    I actually had a friend sorta like this! He never went gay bashing or anything or he wouldn’t be my friend but if anybody asked if he was gay or made any inkling he’d freak tf out! He’d also be super weird and uncomfortable if there was anybody gay around when most of us really didn’t give a shit one way or the other. I’m not talking about somebody hitting on him, just “this person is gay” and he’d get all uncomfortable and weird. This was middle school to highschool btw so maturity levels should be taken into account.

    Years later he came out as bi. Good on him for working on his inner demons I guess.

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      My theory is they assume everyone else has gay thoughts like they do, so every man married to a woman resisted the urge to go balls deep in their homies, instead choosing to get married to a woman they aren’t attracted to and have children as their show of devotion to God. Because they’re so sexually repressed, and only talk about how gay their thoughts are while getting fucked by their other gay religious friends, they never put 2 and 2 together that most people actually don’t have an attraction to the same sex the way they do.

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        I think you’re completely wrong! It’s completely normal think of putting a big ole meaty cock in your mouth as a straight man! Feeling the sensation of caressing it. That doesn’t make you gay! Anyway I’m off to call gay people an abomination while packing a raging hard on! Then I’ll maybe hop on whatever the gay Tinder is called, just to look at how horrible these men are! Especially the ones showing their abs that I’m 100% not attracted to! Yep, totally normal!

        /s (hopefully nobody actually needed that).

        I truly feel bad for these men’s wives. You know that deep down, they know. They are living a lie and in denial. That’s gotta suck. I would say I feel bad for the men but fuck (hehe) them for making other people’s lives miserable!

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          I used to work at a vape shop and had a guy come in who unironically was close to being this bad. Kept trying to throw me off by talking about how much I was sucking on that big thing. How gay it looked and how much it looked like I liked it. Full fucking store at the time too and he wasn’t flirting (afaik… I’m on the spectrum so who knows) I just really felt bad for him that he felt the need to do that to feel better about himself. It’s really obvious he found me attractive at the very least. I think the fact I was nonplussed about it just made him go gayer and gayer in his accusations which was kind of hilarious for such a perfectly straight man to do to another man.

    • Souroak ( Souroak@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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      I don’t think that homophobes have to be closeted to be envious of queer folk who are being true to themselves and not living a life of conformity. Of course some of them are though.

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    The hate in these comments is abhorrent. This guy was literally a victim of gay conversion therapy before he preached it. He renounced all of it in 2008 and has been married to a man for 12 years now. People change y’all, and this guy changed for the better. Celebrate that

  • Did they renounce their cult and do anything at all to help the victims?

    Or are they pretending “progressive christian” is a valid ideology, forgiving themselves and moving on without actually fixing any of the root problems?

    Pastors are not good people. They make their living lying to people and almost never face accountability for it. They just shift the lie to suit their needs at the time, at everyone’s expense.

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    Conversion therapy is a form of torture. It’s as stupid as expecting someone to change their blue eyes, to green eyes. You can’t blame people for genetics, and you cannot just decide, as a blue eyed person, that you are now a green eyed person. It’s not a decision, there is no therapy or medication or surgery to “fix” what is not broken. It’s just abuse.

    We have already been through this with Left Handers. Being left handed is normal. Gay people are normal. Religion does not exist to help people, it’s purpose is to control people.

    Thank you for attending my Ted Talk.

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      Growing up in the USSR they forced everyone to write with our right hand. You get beaten if you don’t. Was really hard for my cousin because he’s left handed. He just learned to fake it for the teachers.

        • they did though, is the thing, particularly in Russian and Ukraine, less so in Ukbekistan and Kazakhstan. where i can sympathize with your “USSR always better” posturing here though is that the violence against children in Russia intensified after the collapse of the soviet union. additionally eugenics programs structured against left handed people were not unique to the soviet bloc, with the last law in the united states mandating the punishment of children for left-handedness being repealed in 2004 after a teacher in Tazewell, Virginia paddled a child for their lefthandedness in first grade.

          however, in order to forge a better future we have to look back at history with a critical gaze to understand how we came to stand where we stand. violence against left handed children in the USSR was real, and to dismiss it with a simple “no they didn’t” is disrespectful and dismissive to real people’s lived experience that we can still draw from today. my neighbor in his 40s danced when that law was repealed in 2004 because he was so excited no child would be allowed to be scarred the way he was in a Russian orphanage in the 80s. he is today an organizer and advocate for that all forms of corporal punishment against children should be ceased as it’s just a normalization for when they’re adults. i find your flippancy with “no they didn’t” absurd and dismissive

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      I agree that it’s a form of torture, but someone can’t ever have eyes be a different color because of the trauma. People do act like and belive they’re straight because of the trauma forced upon them from conversation therapy.
      They also often gain hatred of those who are like they “used to be”, and there’s no real mirror for that in eye color.
      And just to be clear, I say none of this to minimise the horrors of conversation therapy.

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    I was trying to find an article to verify this info and this was in the top results:

    https://sfl.media/former-gay-cure-ministry-leader-arrested-after-allegedly-trying-to-meet-14-year-old-boy-in-florida-sting/

    This is the article I could find about a “gay cure” pastor having a gay marriage:

    https://gay.blog.br/en/gay-en/former-pastor-who-preached-gay-cure-now-lives-in-marriage-with-another-man/

    It might be a different pastor tho?