Not even. Your job isn’t to protect prod, it’s to take the blame when prod goes down.
Ah the ol please
aint being the scapegoat exactly how you protect prod?
🫠 too real
Mixed feelings because obviously studying for a degree implies maths and sciences which does qualify you as an engineer, but imo “software engineer” isn’t a real thing. You’re either a computer engineer or a code monkey.
Do… Do you think software on its own needs no engineering?
If I say please build me a webshop from scratch, do I need a “computer engineer” which presumingly includes hardware knowledge by your distinction? Probably not. Is a code monkey going to build me the website? Also probably not.
So somewhere inbetween the two, you probably need a position that can engineer complex pieces of computer code, along with its design and architecture - we could even call it something short, like a software engineer or something
Programmer
A programmer builds the software. An engineer designs it.
Lmao ok pal
That explains why all the programmers carry around hammers. You know. To help them type in the word CMake.
I’m not sure what you mean about hammers, but I mean build as in implementation, not build as in compile.
You should post this to UnpopularOpinions.
TBH it’s not easy to get 98 people to engage with a bottom of the list comment so clearly some part of it is botted, which tracks because I’m pissing off sloppers and slopper admins every time I visit this instance.
I’m assuming you’ve never experienced the world of safety critical software development like the medical and aerospace industries.
An engineer can code but a programmer is not an engineer. I have actually, btw, though not as a programmer but closely with them.
I get your point but I’m not going to pull out my whole resume when, at the end of the day, I write software for a living.
Programmer is shorter and more honest than software engineer, tho
True. It doesn’t include my (legally recognised) title, however
Programmers and Software Engineers are different things, tho
Programmers and Engineers are different things, tho
Yes. But software engineers are engineers. Not all programmers are software engineers.
Not all software engineers are engineers and furthermore software isn’t an engineering discipline to begin with.
Oh shit, today I learned that software can’t be a complex system. That makes our jobs easier. I’ll be sure to tell IEEE.
i think the word “engineer” has something to do with the word “ingenuity” … now ask yourself, how much creative thinking do you need as a coder?
Depends on the task, somewhere between next to none and actual engineering.
I’ve been involved in math, software and hardware. The core function is the same: finding solutions to problems. Pedantically gatekeeping, I have little knowledge of engines. I’m grateful that usage is antiquated.
Wait, are you a Someordinarygamer fan?
no
The industry has landed on the term. Nothing can be done about it regardless of anyone’s opinion for or against.
Pretty “hail corporate” response. I admit the first time I saw the word being on a Google jib listing over a decade ago might be part of my strong opposition.
Lol, ok. Good luck getting job listings to change terminology because you don’t like it.
Thanks, I’ll keep at it.
Shift + Tab + Fuck it.
I’m unemployed, I’m incredibly snarky at the recruitment posts. (This literally hasn’t changed in decades.) Right now I’m like “oh, they want Python programmers…? Good, I’m one. For web scraping tasks…? Okay that’s bullshit. Wait, this is an AI job post? The MBAs, drunk with their Vibe Coding power, thought they could feed the Machine, but lo, they were mistaken!!! For web scraping was a Dark Art.”
look whos the monkey on a type writer now :D
I am so fucking glad i pivoted to teaching. Now I run a Makerspace and teach young nerds creative problem solving. The pay is less but every day is a joy.
The whoop band confirms it
Also called a reverse centaur.
