It doesn’t matter. I have argued with literal western sources, like primary attributions what the chief of the NED said or the archived funding page of the NED, or academic works by Ukrainian scholars. Photos and western media articles about the Nazi problem in Ukraine.
Nothing with convince a liberal that the Nato isn’t a holy alliance of the pure and willing to bring freedom, justice and democracy to Ukraine. A full embrace of the fantasy that the west finally fights “the good fight” again.
All I want is peace and a diplomatic solutions, an end to the warmongering. But what do pacifists get today? Endless insults and mocking. The liberals and “leftists” are acting just like MAGAts and climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers. I look from one to the other and back again and see no difference.
The analysis of various evidence, such as synchronized videos, audio recordings, testimonies of the absolute majority of wounded Maidan protesters, and some 500 other witnesses, shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the Maidan protesters and the police were massacred by Maidan snipers located in Maidan-controlled buildings in a rationally organized operation with involvement of far-right and oligarchic elements of the Maidan opposition. This mass killing led to the overthrow of the Yanukovych government and ultimately to the Russian annexation of Crimea, the civil war and Russian military interventions in Donbas, and the Ukraine-Russia and West-Russia conflicts which Russia escalated by illegally invading Ukraine in 2022.
If you really want to know the truth and do not trust these articles you can download the original trial verdict in Ukrainian and try google translate. Unfortunately I have not found a way to do a full english translation myself because the verdict is a 14mb html file.
So tell me, if true, is this important at all? To the question of who came into power? Of how this is pretty much ignored or labeled disinfo?
Do Ukrainian Nazis invade rob and murder their neighboring countries? That would be a really bad thing for Nazis to do.
108 civilian protesters and 13 police officers were murdered in the “Revolution of Dignity”.
Does it excuse Russia’s invasion? No. But it makes it much less of a simple and one sided situation. All of this after the CIA/NED chief bragged about wrestling Ukraine away from Russia. See Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War for more western sources.
So you can mock and laugh all you want. The facts remain the ugly facts when you use “non Russian aligned” sources.
Bottom line right here. You are going on quite a bit about stuff that has absolutely no bearing on the most important issues of the day.
Russian war crimes in Ukraine have killed about 4 orders of magnitude (10,000 times) more people than the incident you mention here. And you feel it’s important and relevant to discuss the reburial of one guy who died a half century ago. Your priorities are severely misplaced. The main tool of propaganda is not the lie, but the emphasis, and your emphasis on small things in trying to distract from 10,000 times bigger things is wildly out of whack.
All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia. They were all making tons of money from Russia, and vice versa.
The Russian pretext for the invasion has shifted about a dozen times since the war started, and Putin’s little green men were all over the border region stirring up trouble ever since the invasion of Crimea. These are all documented facts too. He gambled he could get away with it without much of a fight, and lost the bet. Fuck around and find out I guess.
It’s also true that there is a well documented percentage of Ukrainians who are literally neonazis, like the Azov brigade. But surely one could reasonably assume the biggest reason Ukrainians hate the Russians nowadays is because Russia invaded their country, not some CIA psyop, or because they’ve been reading Meine Kampf to the kids at night.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia.
In 2000, Vladimir Putin became Russia’s president, while Georgia “experienced” the Rose Revolution in 2003 and moved towards forging closer ties with the United States and NATO. Consequently, Georgia–Russia relations deteriorated rapidly by 2006 and spiralled into a diplomatic crisis by 2008.
In Georgia (2003), the Rose Revolution that removed President Eduard Shevardnadze involved extensive support from NED-funded civil society groups and election monitoring organizations. U.S.-based training organizations, working under NED’s ecosystem, assisted in movement-building strategies, communication, and exit polling operations that delegitimized the incumbent government [3].
I haven’t read the academic sources for the Rose Revolution myself, but the CIA/NED has been doing this shit for decades all around the world.
All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I want to the truth and a diplomatic solution. And ideally those responsible for the regime change, the maidan massacre and the war prosecuted. But I guess all of this history, it never happened.
And … “the revolution was the fault of the CIA and not my own shitty government losing the support of the people” convenient excuse award goes to [drumroll] … you. Congrats, TRWTFOTCANMOSGLTSOTPCEA winner, 2026!
It doesn’t matter. I have argued with literal western sources, like primary attributions what the chief of the NED said or the archived funding page of the NED, or academic works by Ukrainian scholars. Photos and western media articles about the Nazi problem in Ukraine.
Nothing with convince a liberal that the Nato isn’t a holy alliance of the pure and willing to bring freedom, justice and democracy to Ukraine. A full embrace of the fantasy that the west finally fights “the good fight” again.
All I want is peace and a diplomatic solutions, an end to the warmongering. But what do pacifists get today? Endless insults and mocking. The liberals and “leftists” are acting just like MAGAts and climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers. I look from one to the other and back again and see no difference.
Ukraine has a Nazi problem? Oh man, that is horrible!
Do Ukrainian Nazis invade rob and murder their neighboring countries? That would be a really bad thing for Nazis to do.
How many seats in the Ukrainian parliament are currently held by Nazis?
This is a pretty good 2026 article written by a Ukrainian academic: Ukraine’s military has a real Nazi problem | Responsible Statecraft
Or see the coverage of the recent reburial of Nazi collaborator with state honor by Zelensky. Note how different and prominent the headlines are between Israel newspapers and the western mainstream newspapers.
The bigger question though is who got into power and how during the regime change:
Read a bit from this book written by another Ukrainian academic scholar: The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine: The Mass Killing that Changed the World | Springer Nature Link. From the conclusions:
This isn’t just this guy saying it, or propaganda, or a conspiracy theory - a 2023 jury trial verdict in Ukraine comes to the same conclusion after reviewing all the evidence. Buried trial verdict confirms false-flag Maidan massacre in Ukraine – Canadian Dimension
If you really want to know the truth and do not trust these articles you can download the original trial verdict in Ukrainian and try google translate. Unfortunately I have not found a way to do a full english translation myself because the verdict is a 14mb html file.
So tell me, if true, is this important at all? To the question of who came into power? Of how this is pretty much ignored or labeled disinfo?
108 civilian protesters and 13 police officers were murdered in the “Revolution of Dignity”.
Does it excuse Russia’s invasion? No. But it makes it much less of a simple and one sided situation. All of this after the CIA/NED chief bragged about wrestling Ukraine away from Russia. See Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War for more western sources.
So you can mock and laugh all you want. The facts remain the ugly facts when you use “non Russian aligned” sources.
Bottom line right here. You are going on quite a bit about stuff that has absolutely no bearing on the most important issues of the day.
Russian war crimes in Ukraine have killed about 4 orders of magnitude (10,000 times) more people than the incident you mention here. And you feel it’s important and relevant to discuss the reburial of one guy who died a half century ago. Your priorities are severely misplaced. The main tool of propaganda is not the lie, but the emphasis, and your emphasis on small things in trying to distract from 10,000 times bigger things is wildly out of whack.
Damn right. All the best lies have a grain of truth to them.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Quite.
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All you want is for the Ukrainians to stop fighting back, you mean.
I don’t think for a moment Ukraine is getting NATO support for altruistic reasons, but that doesn’t mean NATO started this fight. Nobody in the EU wanted a proxy war with Russia. They were all making tons of money from Russia, and vice versa.
The Russian pretext for the invasion has shifted about a dozen times since the war started, and Putin’s little green men were all over the border region stirring up trouble ever since the invasion of Crimea. These are all documented facts too. He gambled he could get away with it without much of a fight, and lost the bet. Fuck around and find out I guess.
It’s also true that there is a well documented percentage of Ukrainians who are literally neonazis, like the Azov brigade. But surely one could reasonably assume the biggest reason Ukrainians hate the Russians nowadays is because Russia invaded their country, not some CIA psyop, or because they’ve been reading Meine Kampf to the kids at night.
Well the CIA/NED under Obama wanted to “wrest Ukraine from Russia”. You can follow the western sources and the webarchive pages of the NED webpage yourself if you want: Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War
“Fuck around and find out” describes this brinkmanship very well. I mean, who could have known:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
The quotes around “experienced” are mine, because I love that word to describe what happened. Well what did happen? A color revolution at the border of Russia led to civil war. National Endowment for Democracy’s Role in Colour Revolutions and Regime Change
I haven’t read the academic sources for the Rose Revolution myself, but the CIA/NED has been doing this shit for decades all around the world.
I want to the truth and a diplomatic solution. And ideally those responsible for the regime change, the maidan massacre and the war prosecuted. But I guess all of this history, it never happened.
And … “the revolution was the fault of the CIA and not my own shitty government losing the support of the people” convenient excuse award goes to [drumroll] … you. Congrats, TRWTFOTCANMOSGLTSOTPCEA winner, 2026!