CONCLUSION: I will stop watching them since all of these alligations and “false?” hardware testing makes me not wanna support them. Even if most of them aren’t true, i don’t want to risk it

ive heard some mixed things about ltt so i want to know if theyre actually bad or not

and im not watching them for linux help, i just like the content, but i also dont want to support a bad person

  • “Quality clickbait” is the best description I have.

    It’s an entertaining channel, prone to reviewing flashy stuff, rather than useful tips as the name might suggest. But not completely stupid, those guys have some knowledge and skills to back it up.

    I can’t say how it changed over time, I’ve only watched them occasionally over the last 2-3 years.

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      That about sums then up. They have been on a streak promoting Linux, which is pretty great since they are a bigger channel. Are they perfect? No, but they are helping get new users into Linux.

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        I remember making the choice to just stop watching any Linux-focused videos from that channel. They always just tended to frustrate me. But, as I understand, the main host has started to really enjoy Linux lately due to the Steam Machine. Have their Linux videos improved at all due to that?

        • I can’t say that what your take on their Linux videos is wrong, but they had valid concerns and call outs. Their problems are reproducible and are things that would have kept me away from Linux before they were addressed. He genuinely wants Linux to succeed so by bringing attention to problems he had, it helped prioritize friction from switching. Now that he has had much fewer issues with daily driving Linux, he found himself wanting to actively avoid going back to windows. Who knows if that would have been the case if he didnt help spotlight Linux friction points.

  • I used to watch them, but overtime they’ve become super corporate with none of the authenticity of the older videos; and also basically everyone I used to watch for has left.

    Then there was the whole situation with the sexual harrasment stuff that just put the final nail in the coffin for me.

    Every time it appears now in my feed its just so clearly clickbait view slop with no personality. They haven’t done anything like the large-scale projects like they used to in a long time.

    • Also, their attitude towards Linux has always been unncecessarily hostile; with Linus refusing to respect that he has to learn how to use a different operating system and just treating it like Windows which will naturally lead to instability and crashes.

      If you were to treat macOS like Windows the same would happen too.

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        I would agree with you 6mo ago, but ever since their last Linux challenge, it feels like LTT is full linux-pilled now. Before, they seemed to exclusively compare capabilities vs mainstream OSes, and only focus on where Linux fell short, because realistically, that’s all mainstream gamers care about. But after the last Linux challenge, they all chose to stay with Linux on their personal machines, because they all felt like it was worth any compromises to not have to deal with windows.

        As Linus put it, if something doesn’t work in windows it’s because of bugs or lack of money. If something doesn’t work in Linux, it’s because no one in the community has been annoyed enough by it to fix it.

        As Luke put it, every time he’s had to fix an issue on Linux, he’s actually enjoyed it because it felt like he was learning about his machine.

        Linus recently did a call with Ludwig about the feasibility of non-tech YouTubers using Linux. Ludwig said “I just think it’s better to have more options, so everyone can use the option they want”, which is historically the line Linus goes with, except that he countered with “consider that windows actively uses their status to limit people’s options, does that change your mind?”

        Overall, I think the channel still has to be realistic about the general public’s adoption of Linux. They review the latest tech, and if the latest tech is built exclusively for windows, then they have to review it there. But they do seem to be much more critical of window’s enshittification, and openly advocate for people to try Linux in spite of a rocky transition. It’s been refreshing to finally see the self-professed tech nerds actually cross that threshold into owning their hardware. And whether you like it or not, LTT and Pewdiepie are driving orders of magnitude more people to Linux than we are.

        Edit: oh and Linus openly declared that It’s the year of the Linux Desktop, telling viewers it is ready for mainstream adoption.

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        Hmm I always thought Linus did this to try to stress test Linux and other things they review, because you know a tech youtuber would more than likely have no trouble making something happen if they wanted to even if they had to get someone else to do it or it took awhile…the idea is they want to help improve it by trying to make things difficult and if it fails to be difficult then they have succeeded. Same thing with their recent ai pc build video, he’s putting in unfiltered prompting to try to get answers and it half worked, which is pretty good thst this was able to work imo.

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    He hate unions. Doesn’t pay his workers fairly. Drives a porsche. Has a private jet. Knew that honey was scamming him with the last click affiliate links switcheroo and instead of exposing them he quietly ended there sponsorship with them.

    Also the 2 - 3 sponsor breaks plus the “at ltt store dot com” self promotion every 5 minutes really makes the videos unbearable to watch even with sponsor block.

    Let alone all the non compete shit with his workers as well as the working atmosphere that was reported by some of the workers.

    • LTT was not the only ones ditching honey at the time, long before the 2024 honey scandal.

      The only real news was that honey was/is only showing/setting their own worse coupons, even if another coupon would provide a better deal.

    • This is such a tired take. He gets people enthusiastic about exciting or fun things in tech. Not every tech channel or influencer needs to deep dive analytics or details. Even so, they sometimes do exactly that.

      Like him/them or not, they have advanced repairablity, spotlighted unethical behavior, and made useful guides for things like ad-blocking and piracy.

  • I’m pretty sure Linus doesn’t know how to use a computer.
    Hardware-wise, he knows how to put things together and modify it to suit his purpose but when it comes to installing and using software, he has no fucking idea what he’s doing.

    The two Linux challenges that he has participated in has made this clear for most of us Linux users…
    But it’s not just Linux he struggles with, he makes all the same fails with windows all the time.

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    “The Problem with Linus Tech Tips: Accuracy, Ethics, & Responsibility” (44:14mins) by Gamers Nexus on August 14, 2023: YouTube or Invidious or Internet Archive

    This video is not monetized. This video covers our serious concerns regarding the data accuracy of Linus Media Group, including Linus Tech Tips, ShortCircuit, and TechQuickie, particularly as it relates to rushing content out the door to favor – by staff’s own admission – quantity over quality. As the company continues to expand into its LTT Labs direction, the importance of accurate data increases; however, even as ‘only’ entertainment, there are still certain responsibilities to the consumer and the manufacturers to report fairly (and to have defined corrections processes in place). We tried to approach this as objectively as possible and hope that viewers are able to listen to the evidence we present, particularly as it relates to significant and frequent data errors that now present in nearly every technical review video.

    TIMESTAMPS
    
    00:00 - The Last 2 Weeks
    01:40 - LMG is Rushing Too Much: Establishing the Premise
    03:48 - LTT's Own Employees Agree
    06:58 - This Isn't "Drama" & Risks
    09:05 - Bad Data from Linus Tech Tips
    10:12 - GPU Review Errors
    15:02 - CPU Cooler Test Errors
    19:09 - PSU Review Errors
    19:53 - CPU Review Errors
    22:39 - Asterisked Errors
    26:15 - Ethical Concerns: Irresponsible Actions & Conflicts
    28:21 - Ethical Concerns: The Review of Billet Labs
    34:49 - Ethical Concerns: 'Not-Review' of Pwnage Mouse
    36:53 - UNACCEPTABLE & The Community is Disturbing
    39:22 - Unfair to Consumers, Manufacturers, & Reviewers
    

    New video after Linus Tech Tips responds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso (only from 00:48 to 12:57 part)

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    A lot of people interested in tech end up watching at least one of his channels due to internet searches confusing ‘best’ with ‘biggest’.

    You will make your own mind up one way, or the other.

    Linus is a trashtuber.

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        Watching his content should be enough to inform you of that.

        Otherwise it is a very simple search on youtube, there are multiple very well known issues.

        Spoon-fed opinions serve little purpose.

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      A lot of people interested in tech end up watching at least one of his channels

      I don’t watch YouTube at all outside of a couple of 70+ years old personalities who do some weekly commentary (not in English or tech related).

      Zero search/feed/side-bar “consooming”.

      Slop-sumption is not unavoidable. You just need to learn how to value your time, and develop a simple objectivity/knowledgeability filter.

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    I have a relatively positive view on LTT compared to others here.

    You can’t succeed on youtube without engaging in some of their clickbait bullshit thumbnails and titles. Although they’re relatively honest in actually covering what they say in the title… So over dramatic titles, but not quite click bait.

    No content can be all things to all people. LTT is relatively “casual techy”. If you’re techy enough to be able to manage Linux yourself, then it’s probably not for you. You don’t need then to show you how to put a PC together, or to break the news to you that self hosting or home network storage is a thing.

    The content also aimed at a certain audience. If you want more academic hardware testing and analysis, then there’s Gamers Nexus. If you want in depth gaming news/analysis then there are better channels for that too. These guys look at random tech at times too (car related or making craft art cushions or something). These guys are basically the “Top Gear with Jeremy Clarkson” of tech.

    Things like the sexual harassment issue and things like that, I’m not as concerned about. If you work in big corporations then you know these problems exist everywhere, what matters is how you deal with them. The court of public opinion followed the drama and came to their own conclusions. This just plays out publically because they’re very public with their content.

    As for Linux specifically, they did some noob videos where uninitiated staff tried to jump into Linux and hit a bunch of roadbumps (which happens often in Windows transition, fine to be open about that, but it also isn’t a big deal for the first adoption to need troubleshooting). They labelled Linux as no good for regular use at that point which angered the internet. Since then I think they’ve realised:

    1. They were unfair to Linux
    2. They’ve made no allies anywhere by hating on Linux
    3. It’s a free win for them if they say some good things about Linux.

    So now they seem a lot more positive about Linux. But don’t go here looking for anything Linux related.

    I think you should just watch some of their videos from main LTT, short circuit, etc and see if you find it entertaining for yourself.

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      You can’t succeed on youtube without engaging in some of their clickbait bullshit thumbnails and titles.

      I’d agree if we stipulate that succeed == make a living off a mass casual audience . For other definitions of succeed it’s quite possible to do without dumbing down. Soft White Underbelly, Forgotten Weapons, Hydraulic Press Channel off the top of my head.

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    Imho they are first and foremost entertainment. If you take it as such, it’s fun. Although as others mentioned it has a bit downward tendency. I think Linus, Luke and others are intelligent, reasonable people and that makes it easier to stick to watching them. True that Linus is sometimes impatient, we all saw his Linux challenges 😅 but they are ok

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    I don’t like Linus, the channel’s content is half-assed at best, and there is so much sponsored content and self-promotion that it feels more like a ‘skip-the-ads’ game.

    On the flip side I think it’s good that they shit on Microslop regularly and steer their audience towards Linux. With such a huge ‘normie’ audience, they are helping introduce those normies to the existence of alternative operating systems and apps. Their videos can have momenta that make me smork (either because of something titanically stupid or something clownish). Additionally, I’ve seen some videos of them that have alerted to new projects, hardware or even situations in the tech environment (which I then research in other places, of course).

    I have nothing to say about private jet, political views or orientations.

  • Entertaining, sometimes.

    Useful, not really.

    It is very click-baitybas many others have said. I can’t expect them to be the most knowledgeable on everything (or anything…) But watching their Linux videos they’ve been releasing have been nothing shy of facepalm after facepalm. Sure, there are a few useful nuggets of info in there but I wouldn’t take anything they say aa gospel.

    Its for entertainment purposes and not for in-depth information.

    I can get behind them exposing Linux to new users through their channel. But they could do it better.