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Piracy isn’t stealing anyway
They call it stealing because the real legal term is unlawful copying or reproducing without copyright permits, and that sounds closer to a misdemeanor.
If we claim someone has stolen thousands of songs causing millions of dolars in damages it does look like a felony, and that is the way they’ve chosen to scare us.
I feel the same way about people applying terms like “theft” to events of intellectual property misuse like copying another artist’s art style, reusing another comedian’s jokes, etc. Those things are problems of their own, but should not be called “theft”.
when people do it, it’s interpretation - it’s only theft if they’re portraying themselves as the original artist, trying to leverage someone else’s work for profit.
now, when machines do the same thing, I think that very much is theft and should be illegal.
Not that I agree with the following, but I feel like many say piracy is theft because one is “stealing” potential income, not stealing the material itself. I vaguely remember someone on YouTube even said using Adblock is akin to piracy, as one is watching content without paying for it (and the assumption is one should pay)
It’s never been stealing, it’s infringement of copyright, which aught to carry much less of a penalty since the original owner was not deprived of their property.
But we live in hell, so capitalism literally bankrupts families when they film their kid dancing to music that was playing on a public broadcast on FM radio.
The record industry has always claimed that every pirated album is a lost sale, but that is t really true. Studies that have been commissioned by the record biz itself have shown that the biggest music PURCHASERS, are also big Pirates as well. These are people who spend every last cent on music, and still need more.
I generally use pirating to audition artists and albums I’m curious about. If I like them, I’ll buy their CDs, because I want the actual item, and I want to support the artist. But I can’t afford to buy random music just to see if I like it enough to financially support it.
Pirating is just the modern version of the radio.
How to recruit new pirates to the cause. Thank you goofge.
I cannot stand piracy, but my computer recently escaped its containment and started downloading all these movies and TV shows that I like to watch. Does anyone know how to stop this behavior? So far I’ve tried nothing
Keep doing nothing, eventually it will work itself out after it’s gotten all the items it wants. You’re good.
They don’t claim that after the fact, it’s their terms of service to begin with. Just another reason to never buy anything on these services. Even paying for streaming is less of a scam since at least you aren’t being misled.
(I can feel my huge steam library giving my hypocritical ass mad side-eye right now)
They don’t claim that after the fact, it’s their terms of service to begin with.
Terms of Service constantly change and are retroactive so it literally does not matter what was in them when the purchase was made.
are retroactive
That definitely depends on jurisdiction, it is not in my country and should not be this way in any civilization.
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Piracy isn’t stealing, period.
It was totally ok to pirate movies before this practice ever took place. Information had always wanted to be free.
Both Mickey Mouse and Mario are having grand mal seizures because of your comment. How heartless.
Put on some techno music and post it, good content!
it’s there, its free, just take it and enjoy it
Tried to read an e-book from the local library. No problem downloading it, but the file was encrypted, and only an Adobe app that does not run on Linux could decrypt it. I used Wine in Linux to run the Windows version of this app, and it worked right up to the point of actually decrypting the file. Couldn’t read the e-book I’d checked out. So I pirated the book.
I went to some trouble to download and install Wine and the Adobe software, and I resent that. Tried to do things the legal way. Could’ve saved myself much bother by pirating first and skipping the public library. I also deleted the Adobe garbage.
There is actually an adobe deacsm extension you can install in calibre on linux, in order to rip books in linux
I never bought and never will eBooks
Only physical copies and piracy (so I can actually own my stuff)
Honest question, if the movie reappears in the catalog on Google does the “ownership” return to the customer? My money is on no they would have to repurchase
I know it doesn’t fit the Piracy narrative, but there’s actually more to this story. I’ve never actually heard this story, but at some point, Google gave everyone that same movie (The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring) for free. Anybody who saw the deal could claim it. I still have it. I’d gift it to this guy if I could, because I’ve since bought the extended edition trilogy in 4K. The Fellowship copy is locked to 1080p, and it’s the theatrical version. I have no reason to ever watch it. But I still have it.
So I don’t know what happened with them losing the rights, but they did kinda try to make it right by offering a giveaway. It would have been awfully nice of them to email everyone who lost their original copy and tell them they could claim it, though. That rarely happens with giveaways. They had a few of them back then. I also got Happy Feet and Big, maybe one or two others.
Make no mistake though. While I do have quite a nice collection of 4K movies in Apple TV (call them rentals if you want, but I won’t pay more than $5 for them, so rental is fair since I paid rental price), I have easily 10-15 times as many on my Plex server (not all 4K though, but still).
Here is the original story: https://www.techradar.com/streaming/youll-own-nothing-and-youll-like-it-google-pulls-the-lord-of-the-rings-digital-editions-from-one-users-library-our-latest-reminder-that-digital-purchases-arent-always-forever
It seems they paid for it and were not given a refund or replacement.
I definitely get all that. I’m just saying they also gave that movie away.
I’m not sure the two are related, but I got it through the giveaway and they haven’t lost the license to it since then.
Don’t do business with google for starters. You just know you’re gonna get screwed one way or another.
Piracy isn’t stealing, period.
It was totally ok to pirate movies before this practice ever took place. Information had always wanted to be free.
Yes and no. People so have to make a living. They are not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. But at the same time fuck the corporations.
Especially Indie games, DRM-free games (GOG) and physical books.
Those are the people who deserve support
I made the same comment 5h ago https://beehaw.org/comment/6121936 Dafuq brah
I pirated it
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genius
It’s definitely stealing. I just happen to consider it morally acceptable stealing from these fuckwits.
Stealing means taking something from someone that won’t have that thing anymore.
Piracy is just duplicating. No stealing involved.
Can you post a source where you are getting that definition? Information can be stolen. Companies are stealing our data all the time.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/steal
The main qualifier is taking something without permission.
Nothing was taken.
Steal is like taking away a cupcake from your bakery.
Piracy is like analyzing the cupcake and thus revealing its recipe and I share it to everyone. (You wouldn’t lose your baked cupcakes but everyone makes clones out of them from the recipe.)
If you want to make up your own definition for stealing, then sure.
If you want to live in reality, stealing means taking something that isn’t yours. Has nothing to do with physical items. Data can be stolen, trade secrets can be stolen, valour can be stolen, identities can be stolen.
None of these require physically removing an item from someone else. They are about taking/accessing things without permission.
Would you classify making clones/copies out of a thing and sharing them stealing?
If it’s something I am not allowed to have, then yeah. I would.
If you hack into my computer and copy all my files you have 100% stolen my data. It would be insane to think otherwise.
The entire premise is permission.
In a nutshell: the word stealing is a vague umbrella term.
No, there’s literally definitions for it. You can look it up. All of them have some element of permission to it. It all boils down to taking something when you aren’t allowed.
It should say rent instead of buy and give the expiration date corresponding to the date on which the license term ends.
“Rent. Unlimited viewing until January 1, 2027.”
Yes that is the thing it was not conveyed to people that way.
This should be legally mandated labeling.
Fun fact: in my country (Slovakia) it’s totally legal to download things. It’s the uploading it back that’s seen as illegal, so as long as you have a paid private torrent site where you can hit’n’run you are not breaking any laws.
Same in Switzerland. If it’s not software, downloading is fully legal.
It’s the same in Italy. If you’re just downloading, you’re golden. If you’re uploading, weeeeell, you may be liable but everybody pirates and nobody is ever fined.
Unless if you pirate football, then the police is going to knock on your door. But everything else is free for all. No VPNs needed. It’s magical.
How do you like Slovakia 🇸🇰?
Is it fun?
“They seem to have a culture that very closely matches mine, speak my native language, oh and it is so convenient because all of my family also lives here too!”
Isn’t it a bit weird question to ask a native? Unless they are upset and want to move out they most likely like their country. And unless they already lived somewhere else they can’t truly compare.
Sure it is a wierd question, I have never been to Slovakia 🇸🇰 though
You would have a point, but they don’t actually speak my Native language as I am of Hungarian descent and that’s my mother’s tongue.
I also spent 10 years in Czechia both studied there then worked there for a few years.
So I can compare, I’d say definitely Czechia > Slovakia, it’s just that my family is in Slovakia.
In that case, bojler elado
lol, ok you had to be an exception :)
In that case does OP know you then?
If there is DRM, you’re only renting it. You may be renting it until further notice for a one-off payment, but your lease could be unilaterally revoked at any time. The supplier framing your lease as a purchase is at the very least being misleading.
The items are sold online. It is not misleading because it’s actually fraud.
We need to start regulating words like “buy” and “sell.” These words should only be usable in advertising if they refer to permanent sale that the seller cannot later revoke. Anything else should be required to be labeled “renting.”
