Maybe if people with your ideology only make things that harm you it’s an opportunity to reflect.
Unfortunately half of them are tankies larping as commies
The other half are posting, which is just as much a larp of political action. Effective organizing doesn’t happen on the internet.
Of course it does, posting when and where to meet for public protests can happen with image posts on local area comms. Like someone posted an image that held information for dates, times and locations so people could attend March for Palestine. Really it’s about sharing information which can be done with the good ol’ wheat paste and paper, but can reach a lot more people on the internet.
While thats true, I do think people really forget that the actual labor that improves your community is offline, not another sick meme to dunk on the liberals
Its easy for it to end up feeling like performance to fit in with the in-crowd more than actual desire to fix problems. The internet can be helpful but only as a tool in service of actually doing political labor. If its not work you’re probably not really accomplishing anything.
Damn communists! They ruined communism!
I mean yeah, they absolutely did.
Communism is fantastic in theory, but in reality it doesn’t work, and it won’t ever work, because our species just doesn’t work like that.
People are, by and large, greedy, power hungry and prone to corruption, and this is why we can’t have nice things and are destroying the planet.
Yes you are so smart and above it all. Magic human nature is to blame for everything, people are not products of their material reality at all. We should all just be misanthropic dorks and never try to do anything to better anything while spouting off rightwing idealist nonsense that is observably false.
No, I’m just as human as the rest of you. I just don’t believe people are capable of communism. Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.
People are not capable of being better, if we were we would have done so by now. Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet? And why is it at all logical to assume we suddenly could be, despite this?
You’re just reiterating your observably false nonsense. Humans have improved from actual barbarians to slavers to civilised groups. Also “if everyone would just…” is not at all a communist position.
Also unsure if you realise this or not but you have the same misanthropic ideology of a mass shooter.
And no offence but ‘civillised groups’? Lmao, you’re going to have to define this too because fuck me does it reek of collonialism.
How are you defining babary? Just so I know exactly how to disprove your statement, please.
Wow uneven development is not something Marxists have ever studied /s
I’m sorry but you don’t even have the faintest idea of what you’re talking about I don’t think we can hold a productive conversation. I hope you can educate yourself and move beyond your edgy teenager mass shooter ideology phase.
I’m probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.
I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.
And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.
Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.
If I lived with your level of cynicism and bleak ass outlook every day I would kill myself, but you’ve shown us all today that people are capable of going beyond expectations
That’s the funniest dismissal I’ve ever seen online. Cold!
Wow, what a ray of sunshine you are!
And who knew that lemmy communists were such an intelligent, thoughtful and all together pleasant bunch?
If you don’t like it here, kindly fuck off instead of shitting up the place
Lol I’m not even a communist
Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.
When you confuse capitalism for communism.
Every single time
Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet?
Uhm, for like 95% of that time people have usually been better? There is little opportunity to become a dictator in a small group of hunter and gatherers and anthropological and archiological evidence points to many of these groups having been strongly egalitarian.
Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.
“Communism is bad because <describes capitalism>” Challenge still ongoing, perfect record.
Brother, you don’t need a specific economic organization to enable authoritarianism. You just need people with determination. You’re literally living through a capitalist dictatorship, doing genocide and robbing value from it’s people right now, almost no matter where in the world you live.
We’re plagued by those that’d rather let the invicible hand help carry the trickle up to the top rungs of the economic ladder.
300,000* years, and a lot of that history is lost, but there’s probably a lot more you just don’t know about. There’s a book called the dawn of everything: a new history of humanity by anthropologist David graeber and archeologist David wengrow that challenges the traditional view of human history. They provide evidence that early societies were much more complex than we’ve been led to believe.
Why do you seem to think a system beginning in the 16th century and developed in the 18th century would be better than something we could come up with today?
That book changed so much in my thinking, and made me realize how programmed I’ve been by post-enlightenment western philosophy. I’d internalized so much of the “progress equals inequality and hierarchies” way of thinking. That book showed me that indeed: “another world is possible”. We are not greedy, selfish and violent by nature, we are just the products of the environment we live in and the education we receive. We can be, and have been throughout human history, far better people than we currently are.
Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.
What if head government positions in general are attractive to corrupt, power hungry dictators?
The Weimar Republic wasn’t communist, and it got a corrupt, power hungry dictator.
The United States isn’t communist, and it’s dealing with a corrupt, power hungry dictator.
Israel isn’t communist, and it’s dealing with a corrupt, power hungry dictator.
I wonder if maybe there are other factors in play that you aren’t considering.
always
Always? Are you sure? Let’s say there’s a corrupt, power hungry person looking for a government spot. How would communism make it easier for the person to get into power, than in a capitalist system?
I think this might be telling on yourself a little bit, because I’m not really greedy or power hungry or prone to corruption, and most of the people I associate with aren’t either
Yes, of course, because when I said ‘most people’ I clearly meant everyone.
And if you, and most of the people you know, are in positions of power and not shitty people, then you’re either a pleasant person with nice friends, or lying. Either way, good for you.
What are your opinions on piracy? Do you pirate software/media?
What about adblocking?
So now you are moving goal post by adding in power, once your argument disappear ?
Ah, the human nature argument.
More like western elites’ nature.
Because only western people are shitty? Or only the western ‘elites’? Does being ‘elite’ from a non western country automatically absolve somebody from this?
I think I’m also going to need to get you to define ‘western’ and ‘elite’ here too.
Individualism and egotism are what make y’all bad people in general. I dare you to live a year in a country with communitarian values to deprogram.
Good bit, very convincing character
Having to tell cynics that human nature is influenced by people’s conditions of life really gets tiresome, but I guess we’ll be doing it until we croak. The idea that human nature is fixed in the way you’re suggesting is antithetical to freedom of choice, and in a way, also linear time/historical progression.
I see you’re in the solarpunk server. Did you join to tell everyone that saving the ecosystem is hopeless, and we should accept our imminent extinction?
Yes, people can be self interested, so we must reward that self interest and punish any selflessnes. That must be the only way to build a fair and just society.
People are, by and large, greedy,
No, they aren’t
Tell me you know nothing of human history without telling me you know nothing of human history.
Hear me out, here: We could tell the greedy fucks to fuck off, and we could make sure everyone nice is taken care of. By force, if necessary. (I mean, after we win elections lawfully with the will and mandate of the people and we enact legislation through proper procedure)
Hear me out, here: We could tell the greedy fucks to fuck off, and we could make sure everyone nice is taken care of. By force, if necessary. (I mean, after we win elections lawfully with the will and mandate of the people and we enact legislation through proper procedure)
Oh the irony.
It’s insane how you still believe communism produces leaders who are infallible and uncorruptable, ignoring all the historical mountains of evidence that your side is just as prone to corrupt authoritarian dictatorships as the fascists are.
You lot really are just itching to run your own
concentration campsgulags again, aren’t you?
Are you done? Great. Carry on.
Wouldn’t be surprised if new users actually complain about them, pretty much all the ‘communists’ here are obnoxious nationalist larpers
everyone is doing it wrong except you.
Log off and start a 5th international but correct this time.
You don’t even know what communism is but just larp on lemmy full time about it, I can tell. Maybe append your comment with “China give me money” or whatever other AES nation of choice you’re doing unpaid PR work for next time
Communism is when the government does stuff
The more stuff the more communist
Communism is stateless, so not quite.
Wrong:
Oh ok, sarcasm lol.
Someone wouldn’t just be stupid online to rile annoying people up.
Wrong, the only communist country is Israel https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NMOjz7Z4DNQ
I only expose myself to information that was penned in self-published newspapers by Europeans between 1818 and 1991.
Youtube is considered an extreme infohazard
no u
You’ve slandered lemmy.ml! The party is dissapointed.
-9000 .ml credit
Testicular torsion. (obligatory: /s)
Except only piefed had credit so that’s meaningless even with the ‘/s’
They aren’t, I am here and FUCK GERMANY FOREVER. Technically not a communist but I think this counts for anarchists too and in the end we are brothers until after the revolution.
Entschuldigung?!
: Person posts something about communism.
: Buncha people in the comments inevitably say the same stale, dumb things about communism.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
B-B-B-But Chai-nyha
China? Russia? US? Where’s that 3 Spiderman pointing meme?
You gotta remember that no one except known communists are pitched lemmy on the basis that it’s developed by a communist. Everyone else gets that fact omitted.
And liberalism only survives in people that are fundamentally incurious about the conditions under which the goods and services they use are manufactured or arise.
That’s like, 95% of people, yeah.
Misanthropy is cringe. Humans are wonderful, lots of people remain curious and determined despite massive indoctrination efforts.
<3 humanity. We’ve got this.
Accepting a common flaw among humans is not me giving up on a better world, it’s just accepting that the better world must account for this flaw.
Claiming based on nothing but your own opinion that 19/20 people are fundamentally incurious about their material conditions is pretty fucking misanthropic.
To even make such a sweeping claim demonstrates a ludicrous resentment and a smug superiority.
wow, the flip from toxic positivity to just plain toxic happened fucking atomically.
despite all available evidence
I never cared about those politics, it’s just all the drama that gets weird. No developer is required to disclose they’re a what-ist. You would hear a lot more about it from whiny Americans, if so.
Is it at least of the luxurious gay space kind?
Unfortunately we’re at the screaming at each other over precisely how to realise a stateless, monieless, classless society stage.
Although we do get to enjoy devouring the occasional lib that stumbles in.
Although we do get to enjoy devouring the occasional lib that stumbles in.
Mmmm… Lib vore…
We need to bring back feeling ashamed
Uh-oh. Somebody’s got a shaming kink…
This is really it.
There’s the fascist-owned platforms…most notably truthsocial, but definitely also X and Meta and all their platforms as well. I’d also say spez has absolutely bent the knee…several times. Fuck /u/spez.
And then there’s the communist-operated platforms. Lemmy, and basically the entire fediverse.
I wouldn’t say all instances are communist operated, certainly .ml, but many of them are just liberal, socialist, technohippies. (A term that I just coined now, and would gleefully apply to myself)
Only reddit still gets any of my traffic, and that’s largely out of muscle-memory.
yeah but HASAN PIKER!!!
screams in terror
Lemmy has destiny stans now? 🤣
Some of these comments are far too long.
it’s the american way. lol
“If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.”
Ninth-century Chinese Buddhist monk Linji Yixuan.
That’s the only Buddhist thing burgers know. Was it on the idiotbox or something?
The what? I read it in a book.
I somehow don’t believe you’re as old as you claim lmfao.
How old have I apparently claimed to be?
Well, they are written by communists what can you expect.
On pair with the literacy expected from the average marxist.
On pair with the literacy expected from the average marxist.
Don’t know if you’re joking, and I usually wouldn’t do this, but it’s on (a) par with (not pair) and AFAIK Marxist is usually capitalised.
I don’t know if it’s technically a mistake, but I would also have used expected of (not from).
English isn’t my first language, so caveat lector.
gotcha, that’s kinda dialectical even. And useful. I won’t ever get the western abhorrence at getting instructed by someone or at showing minor imperfections.
You can read this as insulting everyone
Bakhunin was a marxist too, one of the best.
The less polite ones don’t even ask you first!
Cuba believers stay winning.
Didn’t Castro culturally genocide the capitalists?
Unfortunately a lot of them escaped to the usa, explaining considerably many about Florida.
I remember on reddit seeing discussion about the mullvad vpn nonsense and someone replied that they were based, it’s not like the left would ever care about privacy.
And I was just like…brutha, wut? People are truly that dumb aren’t they?
The left is anything they do not like
I don’t think any of them are anymore communist then the CCP tbh.
They’re just making free software with no algorithmic feeds, inherent bias, user monetisation, or dark patterns for everyone for other reasons.
No see, you don’t understand.
The ‘free market place of ideas’ needs an ‘invisible hand’ to make sure it doesn’t make any uh… mistakes.
And obviously, my particular and specific ideas about how to puppet that hand, well they are objectively correct.
/s
Or at least they WERE but you assholes are UNWORTHY of being SAVED so never mind!
/s
So the head lemmy devs are communists? ?_?
Go chat to Dessalines or Nutomic about it and see what they have to say about their views.
They are based ⚒️⚒️⚒️
Hah! I did not know that was an emoji, haha!
I only recently found it, and it’s quickly entered my emoji vernacular
I tried once, but they banned me for five billion years because they’re tankies.
I’ve exchanged 5 sentences with you and I’ve gotta say I’m sympathetic to them already.
A lot of ya’ll have a lot to say about the surprised Pikachu meme.
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Food for thought indeed.
