• masterspace ( masterspace@lemmy.ca ) 
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    Sounds like the deal includes dropping the alcohol boycott, and building the keystone xl, a massive crude oil pipeline that gives Canada basically nothing given that the refining and final sale are done by US companies.

    • SaveTheTuaHawk ( SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ) 
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      That’s the way Alberta wants it. A few oxy addicts in a backhoe feeding US industry. Every boom cycle they just grab the money and refuse to invest in local infrastructure. Keystone will never get built, it’s been on and off for over 12 years.

      • MystikIncarnate ( MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ) 
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        To me, that’s what’s tragic. I’m sure we have contract deals we must honor, but once those are up, we should tear down the pipeline and build our own refinery. Hell, start building the refinery now so it’s ready when the pipeline contract dies.

        In the mean time, if they want to negotiate for more of our oil, tell them right where to go.

  • iamthetot ( iamthetot@piefed.ca ) 
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    Nah. Not only will I not buy US booze, I’m going to continue to not buy US anything that I can help. I’ve put more money into Canadians’ pockets in the last few years than maybe my whole life and I’m feeling pretty damn good about it.

    • mrgoosmoos ( mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ) 
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      it’s disappointing seeing conservatives complain about him being too liberal while he does a bunch of conservative shit and then they say he stole conservative ideas and complain about that, then go back to complaining about him being a liberal

    • ZC3rr0r ( ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca ) 
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      As I wrote before, I think this is strategic maneuvering on the alcohol ban on his part. On paper he can make it look like we’re acquiescing to their demand, while in practice it won’t make a noticeable dent in their alcohol sales.

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        I’m sorry, but this is silly. This is an issue because American liquor companies are taking a financial hit and they are making it an issue. If the finances don’t recover, they are not going to stop making it an issue, whatever tricks we might manage that technically satisfies a deal. We are dealing with gangsters. The best move is not to concede.

      • I’m tired of hearing that Carney is being all “strategic”. We’re losing big time over Trump’s tantrums, and it’s costing us a lot. Trump knows he’s got the upper hand because the U.S. is a huge economic player, and Canada’s most important economic partner.

        He’s effectively holding us hostage.

        But Canada is also a big economic player to the U.S. in more ways than we can imagine. Cutting them off could hurt them enough for everyone in the U.S. to call to impeach the motherfucker and put an end to this circus.

        But instead we keep enabling Trump and losing the entire way.

  • Disappointed, but not surprised. I’m going to have to just double down on boycotting more.

    We really need to make it easier to buy Canadian booze from other parts of Canada. I’ve been picking up a different bottle of whiskey every time I go, but there’s always a piss poor selection from anywhere other than my province. I also don’t drink too much, so a bottle lasts quite a while, but still.

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    If it’s forced on the provincial liquor boards they should only accept us booze on consignment,

    Yep it will be on the shelves but I suspect it’ll be there for a long long time not selling

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    I see it as an easy win for Canada because this started as a grassroots movement by the people. The provincial government removal from the shelves came afterwards, in support. Put the booze back, who cares. Most people still won’t purchase that fascist crap.

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      I don’t know about people not purchasing. It may be the part of Canada I’m in, but USAian products aren’t sitting on the shelves for as long and a lot of people have lost the care to avoid them if they ever did. A great example was last summer when USAian watermelons were rotting in the bins at grocery stores while Mexican and Canadian ones were selling quickly. This year I’m seeing people pick them up without a care. It doesn’t help USAian companies are purposely hiding the origins and maple washing their products.

      Plus, the uptick in Canadians travelling south of the border for non-work purposes means full acceptance and support for the USAian administration by those choosing to go to there.

      I’m keeping up my boycott and always will. Those that don’t boycott when they can afford to or simply don’t care can be the first dealt with as traitors when the time inevitably comes.

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        Do they represent a significant percentage of alcohol sales, though? Even if they drink three times what the average person does, if they only represent 3% of the population, they’re little more than a rounding error.

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        They’ll care about price. I think the tariffs will ensure that the prices are just a bit higher than domestic stuff… Enough to have the drunkards reaching for Canadian brands.

        I don’t know much about alcoholics, but I’m pretty sure they don’t have a lot of brand loyalty, and they’ll drink just about anything that contains alcohol, regardless of flavor, or quality. As long as they can get it cheap.

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    So the booze bans, if I remember right, came in as part of the response to the US imposing tariffs, tariffs they justified with a flimsy excuse of ‘fentanyl!’. The US didn’t like that we responded to their clearly abusive/disrespectful tariffs, by applying more tariffs. Now Carney is negotiating to lower those tariffs in part by ending what little resistance/push-back Canada had shown.

    Carney’s disappointing.

    Still better than PP.

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          PP would keep us in CUSMA, something we assume LeBlanc is still working to get us out of.

          PP would deport more people than he’d let in. We’re already doing that. Even stripping people of citizenship.

          PP will destroy the environment with a pro oil agenda. We’re already doing that.

          PP will go after minorities. Carney’s indigenous record shows we’re doing that.

          PP will privatize public assets. Carney appears to be doing that.

          PP will end pharmacare. Carney seems to have done that.

          PP will side Trump. Look at Iran and explain how Carney isn’t doing that.

          PP will put Canada further behind by cutting scientific research. Carney already did that.

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            zzz. PP’s conservatives had a DOGE-North campaign ready to go, because they thought Musks approach was awesome – there were lots of photos of it coming from their Alberta nerve center, when they thought it’d get them votes, even wearing red MCGA hats and all. Saying Carney’s fucking up things like social services is warranted criticism, yes, but PP would’ve butchered everything. And what’s this nonsense about “He’d keep us in CUSMA!”, the fuck? What is PP, the diaper whisperer? PP would’ve spread his cheeks so far apart to accept Donalds droopy dick, I don’t even know what bizarro rationale you’re using to pretend like he’d somehow magically solve anything at all – if he’d been able to ‘stay’ in the agreement the US wants out of, then he would’ve done it by conceding to every demand ever made by the Americans. And where’s his negotiating expertise coming from exactly anyhow, what with PP’s complete lack of any actual working experience outside of parliament? The states would’ve said “Fentanyl!” and PP would’ve accepted their bullshit messaging, designed a whole propaganda campaign around how fentanyl was “a MASSIVE problem in Canada, HUGE, some even say bigger than those forest fires and stuff!”, then he’d label it as a China drug and start targeting asian immigrants etc. Last election, the Canadian conservatives literally used the same campaign slogans as Trump - “Make Canada Great Again” and “Canada First” bullshit, and you want to pretend like they’d do anything but bend over for Trump? Absolute fantasist horseshit.

            But whatever floats your boat I guess, you can suck off conservatives all day for all I care.

            • With all the cuts Carney has done the difference between him and doge North is marketing.

              He’d keep us in CUSMA!”,

              Canada doesn’t want to trade with the US. While we know we’re trying to negotiate out of it it’s uncertain if Carney can get us out or if he’s just going to keep sucking Trump’s dick. Presumably PP would suck Trump’s dick instead of getting us out of it.

              PP would’ve spread his cheeks so far apart to accept Donalds droopy dick,

              So no different.

              The states would’ve said “Fentanyl!” and PP would’ve accepted their bullshit messaging,

              He might open ICE offices in Canada or increase boarder security like Carney has.

              you want to pretend like they’d do anything but bend over for Trump? Absolute fantasist horseshit.

              No, I’m just not pretending Carney isn’t.

              But whatever floats your boat I guess, you can suck off conservatives all day for all I care.

              Carney is a conservative, think what you want but you’re the one defending them not I.