It’s culturallyeabout as European as Russia is. But before 2022, westerners usually didn’t consider Ukraine as “European”. That framing happened afterwards.
Also, the original statement implied that Russia is supposedly at war with the EU.
Oh come on, lets not be pedantic, do you honestly think russia isn’t at war with the EU? Even if you define the terms and framing so it technically isn’t we are talking about splitting hairs at this point in a way that is completely unproductive to a broader discussion.
Insofar as russia is not at war with the EU it is because russia is incapable of taking on more than a single country or two at a time… not because russia’s aims are inherently localized to whatever nation it is attacking currently.
Believe me: As a citizen of the EU, I would fucking notice if the EU was at war with Russia.
The biggest attack on German infrastructure (for example) that happened since 2022 was actually carried out by Ukrainians (i.e. the Nord Stream explosion).
No, the helplessness of russians is learned, russians are the same human species as me, the difference is I wasn’t raised to have a learned helplessness about politics.
What is it? Are they “cowards” or “raised to have a learned helplessness”?
Yes
russian civillians don’t really have a say in the invasion.
bullshit bullshit bullshit
Dictatorships are nothing new, that never fully excuses a populace, it gives important and necessary context yes but it does not absolve responsibility.
I agree. But that doesn’t negate my point that the decision to go to war in the vast majority of cases isn’t made by the broad population, but by a minority that has little to lose and much to gain (compared to the soldiers on the battlefield).
So easy to stand up against the Russia government, they must be real cowards for not wanting to be locked away forever, right?
I am also only an internet person, but i fully understand people not wanting to throw their life away. Even if they don’t agree, if there is no organised movement you can hardly blame individuals. If you do that, we all in the west are at fault for what happens in palestine. Well…i guess we are, for all the governments supporting israel. So how can we condemn russian citizens for crimes of their leaders? (Citizens, not soldiers).
Instead hate on the people responsible, the Putins, the Trumps and Musks in this world. Hating on civilians is only divide and “those up there” are the only ones profiting.
Edit: to clarify, i do not condone the russian armies invasion and i wish they would fucking stop yesterday, but i don’t blame civilians for this and applaud everyone of them who does risk their life fighting the government
quick question: is this a unique problem for russians no other nation has faced or does russian culture just enforce a unique character of learned helplessness in its citizens?
no. russia isn’t the only country in the world that violently oppresses its population making it impossible to influence the government’s decisions.
Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
During the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) since February 2022, more than 300,000 Russian citizens and residents are estimated to have left Russia by mid-March 2022, at least 500,000 by the end of August 2022,[not verified in body] and an additional 400,000[1] by early October, for a total of approximately 900,000. This number includes economic migrants, conscientious objectors, and some political refugees.
More than 113,000 Russians left their country last week via the so-called Upper Lars checkpoint — a spike in movement that reflects growing fears that the Kremlin is poised to announce a new mobilization effort.
In recent months, Russian authorities have adopted increasingly aggressive recruitment measures, ramped up data collection on reservists, and expanded the National Guard’s remit, all fueling talk of another call.
The fifth wave of Russian emigration (also Putin’s emigration, sometimes “Putin’s exodus”) is emigration from Russia during the rule of Vladimir Putin. Researchers count the fifth wave either from the 2000s, when the composition of emigrants changed qualitatively and educated, promising people began to leave Russia; or from the mass protests of the early 2010s, Putin’s return to the presidency and the establishment of a repressive authoritarian regime. In 2022, after the invasion of Ukraine and mobilization Russia went through two peaks of emigration, which became the largest in the modern history of the country. As of 2020, according to the UN, in terms of the number of emigrants in absolute numbers, Russia ranks 3rd in the world (10.65 million people or 6.8% of the population) after India (17.79 million people or 1.3% of the population) and Mexico (11.07 million people or 7.9% of the population).[1]
Since the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Russia has experienced its largest wave of emigration since 1917. While estimates on the number of Russians who have fled wartime Russia vary widely, most sources estimate the number to be anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000. The majority of wartime émigrés have fled to nearby destination countries including but not limited to Georgia, Kazakhstan, Turkey and Uzbekistan, while a smaller number have gone further, relocating to countries in the EU, Southeast Asia and Latin America. Broadly speaking, the émigrés are younger and more prosperous than the average Russian citizen, have higher levels of education, and are driven more so by political push factors than members of previous waves. Many of the recent émigrés were engaged in political activism against the regime before emigrating; some worked as journalists, NGO employees, academics and activists, while others were dissidents of the regime at large.
Human capital is fleeing Russia. Since President Vladimir Putin’s ascent to the presidency, between 1.6 and 2 million Russians – out of a total population of 145 million – have left for Western democracies. This emigration sped up with Putin’s return as president in 2012, followed by a weakening economy and growing repressions. It soon began to look like a politically driven brain drain, causing increasing concern among Russian and international observers.
In this pioneering study, the Council’s Eurasia Center offers a comprehensive analysis of the Putin Exodus and its implications for Russia and the West. The study, which is authored by Ambassador John Herbst and Dr. Sergei Erofeev, examines the patterns and drivers of Russian emigration to the West since 2000 based on the findings from focused interviews and surveys with new Russian émigrés in four key cities in the United States and Europe.
“Hybrid warfare” is a propaganda term used to escalate the population’s fear of war, resulting in higher preparedness.
Most “terrorist” attacks are quickly pinned on Russia without any proper proof. And everytime Russia is mentioned as an aggressor (without actually having a motive to attack/get info/…), it solidifys the population’s image of Putin who wants to annex Europe.
Sometimes the term “soviet union” is uttered. But anyone comparing Putin to anything socialist is a fool - be it liberal or tankie.
The biggest (eco-terrorist) attack on Germany since 2022 was done by Ukrainians. Not Russians.
Why? Is Russia at war with Europe? Are russian tourists responsible for the russian invasion of Ukraine?
Explicitly, yes, and Europe is kicking russia’s ass in it when the rightwing isn’t sabotaging resistance to russia.
Yes, at least partially.
Russia is a nation of cowards too afraid to stand up for their freedom, which always leads to violence and war.
Ok. No point in arguing with someone that delusional.
… and obviopsly racist.
Is Ukraine not in Europe?
It’s culturallyeabout as European as Russia is. But before 2022, westerners usually didn’t consider Ukraine as “European”. That framing happened afterwards.
Also, the original statement implied that Russia is supposedly at war with the EU.
Oh come on, lets not be pedantic, do you honestly think russia isn’t at war with the EU? Even if you define the terms and framing so it technically isn’t we are talking about splitting hairs at this point in a way that is completely unproductive to a broader discussion.
Insofar as russia is not at war with the EU it is because russia is incapable of taking on more than a single country or two at a time… not because russia’s aims are inherently localized to whatever nation it is attacking currently.
Believe me: As a citizen of the EU, I would fucking notice if the EU was at war with Russia.
The biggest attack on German infrastructure (for example) that happened since 2022 was actually carried out by Ukrainians (i.e. the Nord Stream explosion).
Wake the fuck up!
Aaaand we’re at the level of covid cooks, congratulations. /s
No, the helplessness of russians is learned, russians are the same human species as me, the difference is I wasn’t raised to have a learned helplessness about politics.
What is it? Are they “cowards” or “raised to have a learned helplessness”?
Either way: You’re spouting racist bullshit. The EU is not at war with Europe and russian civillians don’t really have a say in the invasion.
Yes
bullshit bullshit bullshit
Dictatorships are nothing new, that never fully excuses a populace, it gives important and necessary context yes but it does not absolve responsibility.
As I said: no use in arguing with someone delusional.
Who invades ukraine?
Do you think wars happen, because the soldiers like to murder?
They do choose to murder.
I agree. But that doesn’t negate my point that the decision to go to war in the vast majority of cases isn’t made by the broad population, but by a minority that has little to lose and much to gain (compared to the soldiers on the battlefield).
So easy to stand up against the Russia government, they must be real cowards for not wanting to be locked away forever, right?
I am also only an internet person, but i fully understand people not wanting to throw their life away. Even if they don’t agree, if there is no organised movement you can hardly blame individuals. If you do that, we all in the west are at fault for what happens in palestine. Well…i guess we are, for all the governments supporting israel. So how can we condemn russian citizens for crimes of their leaders? (Citizens, not soldiers).
Instead hate on the people responsible, the Putins, the Trumps and Musks in this world. Hating on civilians is only divide and “those up there” are the only ones profiting.
Edit: to clarify, i do not condone the russian armies invasion and i wish they would fucking stop yesterday, but i don’t blame civilians for this and applaud everyone of them who does risk their life fighting the government
I would not so confidently presume…
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quick question: is this a unique problem for russians no other nation has faced or does russian culture just enforce a unique character of learned helplessness in its citizens?
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Which is precisely why you can’t pull the “Average russians don’t have a say in the matter, russia is a dictatorship!” card every time someone brings up the complicity of average russians in the Ukraine War.
Also, they are going on fucking vacation, not seeking asylum, are you serious? Do you think your arguments actually sound logical and intelligent?
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facepalm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_emigration_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-vladimir-putin-quietly-preparing-another-mobilization/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_wave_Russian_emigration
https://fsi.stanford.edu/publication/russian-emigration-patterns-during-russia-ukraine-war-interviews-wartime-emigres
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/event/the-putin-exodus-the-new-russian-brain-drain-2/
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Deluded Russian or Russia supporter spotted.
Sure. Not being a fan of Sippenhaft makes me a supporter or even worse: a Russian. /s
Hybrid warfare, and it’s at least partly those posing as tourists who are engaged in the action.
“Hybrid warfare” is a propaganda term used to escalate the population’s fear of war, resulting in higher preparedness.
Most “terrorist” attacks are quickly pinned on Russia without any proper proof. And everytime Russia is mentioned as an aggressor (without actually having a motive to attack/get info/…), it solidifys the population’s image of Putin who wants to annex Europe.
Sometimes the term “soviet union” is uttered. But anyone comparing Putin to anything socialist is a fool - be it liberal or tankie.
The biggest (eco-terrorist) attack on Germany since 2022 was done by Ukrainians. Not Russians.