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Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
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Yeah, don’t use Omarchy, not sure why anyone would need to since there are versions with more stable support and a myriad of other free options for every niche. The site lists many great reasons not to use it, that is appreciated.
I don’t use Cloudflare but I’ll say that’s probably the hardest service for people to leave because it’s been the easiest to set up and forget.
Now my one gripe. The People to Avoid category is a weird omelette that put together multiple lists of people and brands them all as fascists to avoid. It’s a set of massive purity test retcons that are not productive because it mixes overt bigots (Yarvin) and Silicon Valley grifters (Dorsey) with people that are living foundations of open source who are accused of odd behaviour.
Is rms going around harassing women? Cuz the last talk I watched of him he was battling cancer. (I have read the Stallman Report, but as far as I interpret it he is just trying to make sense of normally taboo topics by writing it out, even if the way he writes it out people feel harmed or creeped out about it because it doesn’t match today’s accepted norms.) I wouldn’t ask him for dating advice but I wouldn’t hesitate to ask him for computer advice. Louis Rossman has an opinion that I believe is wrong, but not one he holds strongly enough that he would discriminate or disrespect a customer over it or let it interfere with the goals of owning goods you buy.
Yes, question the questionable parts, but to avoid them altogether is excessive IMHO, each should be taken case-by-case.
Everyone, without exception, is flawed in certain ways. While there are people that make their flaws their whole identity, which you should avoid, for those who don’t, you have accept to a certain degree to achieve solidarity and accomplish things bigger than themselves. That degree doesn’t have to be charitable as me, but my opinion is that lists that make it seem all equally bad is disingenuous.
If those individuals want to distance themselves from a Nazi movement, they can do so. They can put out statements clarifying their association. RMS battling cancer is an extreme case.
Right in the paraphrased quote declaring Rossman a transphobe he doesn’t care enough to be trans-exclusive, in fact I’d argue the main point is that the culture war is stupid and unproductive, he’d prefer to be inclusive because it’s irrelevant, that seems like clarification to me and it’s the author muddying the waters up with the bad paraphrasing. His organization FULU is funded by an organization called FUTO led by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter (fixed). I know almost exactly how Rossman picked up some chud-like opinions, it’s because he got bullied and screwed over so hard in New York, not from any other relationship. No evidence has been presented that he has anything to do with Omarchy, MAGA, or right-wing fascist movement, including that comment.
I want people not to confuse some latent opinions with a lack of integrity.
The full comment for context
I have my own idea of what a man or a woman is that I am going to guess is different from the politician in question. That being said, bringing this shit up all the time is absolutely counterproductive and useless. Especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Imagine if I was talking to a politician who weighed 400 pounds and agreed with me on an issue that mattered. And let’s say that person did not like being referred to as fat because they do not think they are overweight. Would it be incumbent upon me to point out that they are fat? What benefit does that do for me? If this person is trying to help me not get screwed over by companies that lie and cheat to get laws passed in their favor so they can rob us blind, it’s not really important in that moment that I point out that that person is in fact obese. What their personal belief of “obesity” is is a useless discussion that has nothing to do with my own actions and identity.
What people choose to do in their own homes or what they choose to call themselves is their business and is not something I care to discuss.
What matters more than that to me is what people tell me I am not allowed to do in my own home with the products that I bought and paid for. That is an issue that is much more important to me.
Rossmann has worked with FUTO, but his organization is FULU Foundation.
Thanks for the correction. Is this right now? I want to represent it as faithfully as possible.
His organization FULU is funded by an organization called FUTO led by someone who is a loose acquaintance of a fascist supporter
I’ve been to a few conferences and talks where Stallman was in the audience.
He often spoke up and asked why things weren’t free open software, even after one was explained how it would be a non-profit educational web service.
He wasn’t wrong, but he was often a dick about it.
He also rarely had shoes on, just socks. At least around the MIT campus in those days.
No no no, you don’t get it.
Everyone to my right that I don’t like is a Nazi.
Everyone to my left that I don’t like is an ultra.
People around the same political position that I don’t like are all trots.
If you disagree with me you’re gas lighting.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Everyone to my right that I don’t like is a Nazi.
No, nazis are nazis. If you argue for ethnic cleansing the bare minimum you can expect is some pushback, no one owes your opinions any respect as a baseline.
I will continue never using it
And I salute your action of inaction! 🫡
I even ask myself if ignoring them and leaving them to the irrelevance they deserve would be a better move than giving them the free “advertising” and probably even boosting their ego.
I would agree if they did not have that much oil money backing them this kinda needs to be talked about imo
I’m right there with you. If anyone asks me about it, my response is “imagine that Arch Linux and OpenAI were going to have a child, but they were both doing too many drugs and alcohol, smoking 3 packs of camels per day each and lived near a garbage burning field in a Saharan country, Omarchy is the material resulting from that miscarriage”.
There’s just too many good Linux distros out there for me to even entertain the idea of ever giving that shit a chance.
Protest if you like, but I’m going to say: Stop talking about Omarchy if you want to hurt it.
The people who like it are going to like it, the ones who don’t won’t, and screaming about it just brings it to the attention of more people who never would have heard about it.
The people who’ll like it can be educated to do better. 40s Nazi Germany got better. Do a favour to yourself and learn about things that matter.
This is such a wildly stupid take. If you have reasons something should be known to be bad, you should tell those reasons to people. You may sway existing users that were native, or people who don’t use it and wouldn’t, after hearing your reasons.
I don’t understand your logic of “if I don’t say anything, people will course-correct” at all.
They passed a bunch on to Hyprland. Fuck all these transphobes and other bigoted right-wing assholes.
Actually, no. Fuck someone nice. Or don’t; I’m not your mother.
Maybe you are 🫣 Jk, I do think hyprland is a nice WM. But man… The drama around it.
I mean, if you wa—oh, you were kidding. You could try some of the forks of sway. I’ve heard swayfx is pretty good.
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“Judge”? My brother in free/libre software, they’re the ones who want me to not exist. I do not wish an ill fate upon them; however, I cannot tolerate intolerance.
Also, if they were vocally hateful against any other marginalised community, it would be totally unacceptable to the vast majority of Linux users.
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It’s almost like you have to judge software based on its utility rather than the political wisdom of the developer.
Okay then. Hyprland is not performant, and it’s over-complicated. Simpler WMs are my preference, and so, I shall use Sway.
I’m sure that’s your sincere opinion, but even if it’s not, at least it’s coherent.
I don’t even understand these “tankies” as they’re called. I thought they were Communists, but if they support a Capitalist country (Russia), then they’re not very Communist, are they?
Communists that support Russia have critical support, which means we support some of what they do, such as supporting Cuba during a genocidal blockade, but we still have valid criticisms. You won’t see any of us claim Russia is morally good or some nonsense.
Communists don’t judge countries based on their perceived moral character. Russia, like all countries, acts in the interest of its own ruling class. Right now the interest of their ruling class is aligned with anti-imperialist forces. We understand that imperialism is the primary contradiction, and that as long as we live under a unipolar world order the global majority will only get poorer and more exploited, that climate change will inevitably kill most of us and that those who survive will be tied to the same exploitative forces.
The only reason why some of us come across as “pro-Russia” is because we’re often debunking imperialist propaganda. As long as people are willing to read beyond wikipedia or a genocide-denying newspaper, we’re fine discussing events with a lot more nuance than we get credit for. But it’s a lot easier to pretend we’re crazy Putin-loving tankies, so that’s what you see here.
I see. I guess this is where my more Anarchist leanings come in. I pretty much just dislike all states, and wish they’d go away.
Russia is only critically supported by communists for its objective material opposition to the current imperialist hegemony by the US. The idea that communists can only support communists is a bit reductive, communists support the international working classes and their liberation. This means supporting elements that weaken the primary world contradiction right now, US imperialism. Obviously communists would prefer Russia turn socialist, but that does not change that it is still playing a progressive role in undermining the US.
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Lenin and Stalin were both communists. Both Lenin and Stalin were supported democratically as well. Trying to dismiss communists by claiming we are all brain damaged is deeply ableist.
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I’m well aware of all the fake Communists out there. I hate them so fucking much.
I do object to those last two statements, though. They’ve been intentionally miseducated and indoctrinated by the government; cultivated to not think critically, to question nothing, and support whatever they’re told—basically, they’re brainwashed.
P.S. btw, why is your username “antianarchist”?
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I just made the switch from Hyprland to Mango today, and it has everything Hyprland had and more, and no transphobia that I know of!
I realised that I really don’t need all those bells and whistles, so I’m sticking with Sway for now; it gets the job done, and without taking up too much memory.
There will be a day when I finally learn to code properly and fork the fuck out of X. I’ll name it
antifaX.Or not, because it sounds… what’s the opposite of sex positive? 🥵
I kinda want to fork Linux and make it AI-free and Rust-free. Wanna help? /hj
I’d be all over that if I had anything to contribute with, but at the moment, I’m still learning the very basics of C and I’m in the middle of some other projects… 😅 Don’t let my preoccupation kill your enthusiasm though!!! 🙏💞
Anecdote time
I recently inherited a Commodore 64 from my dad. It’s from the 80’s. While all I could do with it was- type text and see it displayed
- load some games from cassette tapes
It was extremely refreshing to see that literally nothing was going on in the system other that what I saw on the screen.
Eh, it’s probably not a realistically managable project. I might actually have more luck forking the NetBSD kernel to use compat_linux by default, which would achieve decent compatibility with the Linux ABI.
re: Anecdote Time
That’s so cool! Yeah, it’s pretty neat seeing or using a really simple system like that. Smaller or older computers tend to be a lot easier to understand, too, in my opinion.
Nice comprehensive overview of why this piece of slop called a “distro” and its backers should be boycotted, thank you! Gives me even more motivation to finish up mine today.
Compiling a kernel? 😀
I’m making my own distro rn, announced it a week ago here and will likely release today or tomorrow! https://pu-239.org/ https://lemmy.ml/post/52307735
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
I’m not going to migrate all my Arch boxes (basically all my x86/64 boxes), but I may use it somewhere else, just to test the idea.
I loved the idea of Atomic Fedora, but it did not work seamlessly, and to my experience, it did the opposite: worse than a regular Fedora. I needed to babysit it, and also it didn’t auto switch the previous working system for me. Perhaps it’s me who missed something. As an idea, though, I think that’s what should click to a normie: you tell them to install this distro, get your handful of apps as Flatpaks and forget about the system, as it manages itself.
To keep this topic alive, let me ask you a question: how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one? Does it mean it didn’t boot, or anything else? Just yesterday, I had faced a weird issue: my old trusty MacBook Pro serving as a server now, had no WiFi (it has Ethernet port, but temporarily I cannot use it, so it’s wireless). The
broadcom-wldriver switched tolinux-headers, which I didn’t have installed. I don’t remember me changing anything, and fortunately that was an easy fix (with an external USB WiFi card): just install Linux headers, and it would rebuild itself. So I’m just curious whether it’s even possible to find out a stupid issue a normie user may face.On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
‘Oh come on!’ was my initial reaction, but I’ve read your website, and thought: ‘hey, that sounds nice!’
Haha, I know I know, yet another Arch-based distro in this economy, but I really feel like this does fill a gap, thank you for your interest!
On the other hand, perhaps the distros like this are meant to be installed by someone skilled to then be used mostly unattended by a regular user.
My aim is to make this both appealing for the normie who just wants to use it like “SteamOS but with CachyOS speed” and run Flatpaks on it AND for the more experienced user who wants all the benefits of Arch but with a little more peace of mind.
how would you know what’s a working state, so you need to return to the previous one?
As the website explains, it automatically falls back to the last working state if it doesn’t boot, but obviously it can’t detect if something is messed up but still booting like in your example. In that case you just reboot and manually select the last working state (wip but kinda working already) just like a BTRFS snapshot, BUT it only rolls back the system itself, NOT your files. A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever so my system, when it’s stable and tested, will be superior in every way to BTRFS snapshots.
A BTRFS snapshot will also roll back your documents or whatever
Not necessarily. You can have your documents on one subvolume and the root system on another. I version and snapshot my root disk and home disk separately.
True, if you set it up out of the box with CachyOS it rolls the entire disk back, but I forgot that option was a thing, my bad!
This looks amazing! Thank you for your contribution! :D <3
Am I crazy for saying that DHH is a far-right plant and Omarchy is a plot to destroy FOSS from the inside?
DHH is far right, clearly, I’m not sure they have a plan for destroying FOSS, they seem to be trying to normalize their worldview (which is bad enough)
I’d say he wants to purge the “woke” in FOSS
I’m center-right, but purging “woke” will only divide FOSS, there is a reason tech-billionaires also want to purge “woke” from FOSS.
I am all on board with letting people know when open source is a bit too aligned with major companies or is somehow compromised.
I have no intent or need to use Omarchy.
This sites list of YouTubers to shun however is a bit too “purity test” for me. The reasons listed are, let’s say extremely tepid in many cases.
I’ve never heard Jeff Geerling talk about any issue other than homelab stuff like hardware pricing and availability. His religious and personal views were not apparent to me at all.
I watched the Louis Rossmann video mentioned with the CO State Rep, and Louis was respectful and platformed this individuals commentary on the subject of privacy issues for a long time in the video. Generally Rossmann seems to criticize the living hell out of politicians left, right, and center.
I guess all I am saying is… Use whatever products you do or don’t want to for your own reasons but, I disagree with the concept that I should brigade specific creators because they support Open Source but not 100% of my particular basket of other issues. We need Open Source to grow and need to reach out to diverse groups who can find value in it.
I will continue to listen to both Craft Computing Jeff (as far left as it is possible to be on social and gender issues) and Jeff Geerling (who is apparently conservative on these same issues) because I’m listening to them talk about homelab stuff, not telling me who to vote for etc.
Omarchy isn’t even good. It shouldn’t even be called a distro, it does nothing new. It’s basically a script installer for arch
Sure, and Ubuntu is just a script installer for the kernel. Dear lord, is it a requirement to be so insufferable and asocial when you use Linux? My work PC is Linux, I hope I manage to not succumb to the incredible urge to lack any and all empathy, assume my way of using a product is the only correct way, and pretending that fiddling for hours with your system is a sane thing for everyone to want.
You’re listing some liberal identitarians as leftists here… 🤦♂️
Literally don’t care what they are. Not relevant to their FOSS or general technology content.
“If 9 people sit down at a table with 1 Nazi without protest, there are 10 Nazis at the table.”
“Congrats”, I guess. 🤦♂️ Is it comfortable there? 🙄 Technology isn’t apolitical: atomic bombs weren’t, AI isn’t, and centainly it’s the same for that pos.
The most privileged response I’ve ever read. Good for you for having no one in your inner circle that is affected by fascism but it really sucks for the rest of us.
I think the best thing you can do is to ignore omarchy.
This is good messaging. I’m glad someone is making it explicit. I’ll bookmark this page and share it.
this website is so scarily designed (in a way that screams “scam” to me regardless of its content) that i doubt it will reach anybody but us
I get what u mean, but at the same time, there’s plenty of “friendly,” normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too. The colors are bold, but it’s a simple, informative design. And if we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors, are the only ones it can reach, so be it ig.
there’s plenty of “friendly,” normal looking, and now probably AI generated, scam sites too
there’s way more non-friendly disinfo sites than those, the percentages
we, the ones who read and try to be vigilant of bad actors
—have heard about this before. Preaching to the choir will not help you fight the fascists.
I suppose the question is then, how should this site have been designed iyo?
even the minimalist style shared by https://stallman-report.org/ and https://dmpwn.info/—heck, even the style of Time Cube (warning: better viewed on a phone)—would’ve been nicer than this.
Haha, I had forgotten about Time Cube 😂 That link didn’t work for me, this right? Can’t lie, would’ve loved to see it like that lol
I am not trying to argue this, but some people will say “It just looks like a linux distro that is designed to be more agentic friendly, even if some of its backers have unscrupulous pasts.” What is the response to this? Because I’m sure it’s vibe-coded and insecure, but there aren’t really linux distros that are agentic first distros and some computer enthusiasts really like AI. And yes, people can just install Jan or LM Studio on their own in another distro, but some people may want open source code and linux designed for AI. I know people on Lemmy often hate AI, so please don’t hate me for writing this. I just don’t totally get the reasoning aside from some people involved in the project seem to be assholes… or is that the reasoning?
To be honest, if not for security concerns I’d probably try this distro if it weren’t somehow linked to anti-trans things, which makes anything completely toxic. But I looked at the Omarchy page just to see what it looked like and conceptually for people interested in agentic stuff, it didn’t look that bad, it seemed sort of interesting.
Trans people are some of the best network engineers and coders out there and greatly help the open source community. Any open source project that isn’t kind to trans people should be ignored. Maybe that’s the point? That normally a project like this linked to anything anti-trans would be rejected by the open source community and it’s only through soulless corporations and right wing tech bros that this is existing?
Well, the AI (LLM stuff) is right wing. It makes the last thing neoliberalism didn’t make obsolete useless. Who cares if you actually understand what you’re doing and are able to do it way better than a LLM. “You are now useless. Fuck you.”
The neoliberal ideology now made everyone useless. How can a person still be a neoliberal when you can see none of us really have any value (intellectual or otherwise), we never did. The only thing humans had was pretending to be useful (or competent in any way) and they are taking it away from us little by little.
That’s why I’m a leftist, I’ve seen basic human dignity being taken away from people since my childhood and experienced repression (as much as a minority in a non third world country can) and I know many people have it worse.
I don’t know if I agree with you because someone still needs to tell an LLM what the project is for it to work and a normal person who has no science or computer science background can’t do that efficiently or check the technical aspects of a project to make sure the AI isn’t doing something incorrectly (and eventually the AI will do something incorrectly usually). I think we need UBI sooner rather than later because so many jobs will be obsolete, but if I’m chatting with an LLM or you are and we say “is the docker container up?” or “you built a page and there’s no clear way to navigate it” or “test for what would be exposed data in the case of a breach” the AI can do that, but a normal person doesn’t even understand any of that stuff to chat with an AI about that. I know it’s awful right now for coders who are getting paid less or are underemployed, but that seems to be more of a UBI problem instead of an LLM problem. There are legitimate environmental fears however, but LLMs and data centers seem to be a cherry on top of egregious environmental policy. Environmental catastrophe is headed this way with or without the cherry and it’s not clear to me if we had good universal public transportation and banned gasoline that somehow data centers would still be an existential human risk.
Same. Capitalism will kill us all if we don’t do something, that’s why I’m a social distributist.
The biggest issue for me is its ties to the Dark Enlightenment movement, which is much more scary than any -phobia or -ism.
This is a really interesting comment. I’d like to know more about your views on this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
They want to overthrow democracy and turn it into some authoritarian techno-capitalist hellscape.
Eich, Yarvin, and peter thiel have ties to it, along with many others.
Omarchy is a distro in the same way that I’m a fighter pilot because I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.
Great allegory! It’s a distro in the same way that Bob was done with his homework by having handed in Alice’s copy of it and called it a day.
I think boycotting omarchy itself (easy to do) is a lot more effective than boycotting everything else.
Let these companies see their money go to waste because no one cares.
How is it “open source” with all that bloatware garbage it has? There is nothing open source about it from what I saw.
What are some some good distributions on the other end? Is there like a communist, ally software distribution? Everything is political.
AntiX (based on Debian) is the only distro I know of that is developed by vocally anticapitalist leftist devs, even putting “proudly Anti-fascist” on their main page.
They also are one of the few distros to take an anti-LLM stance (though with Debian itself being pro-AI now, it remains to be seen how far they will go to avoid new LLM contributions made to the Debian base).
AntiX is really great 👍
I mean, Redstar… I think that’d technically that’d be socialist, though.
More seriously, I think most of the non-fork distros don’t tolerate that crap. Think Arch, Debian, Void, etc.
Something I’m keeping an eye on is this project. No clue what, if anything, will come of it.
Personally, I use Artix, and I’m considering NetBSD. I’m also consodering making my own Unix-like distro, possibly using the NetBSD kernel.
communist
basically whatever the FSF/GNU makes. check out Guix if you can put up with learning a little Lisp.
Never looked into that. Maybe Alpine though?
Not really, just use something normal that’s there to provide software. Fedora (but remember to install video codecs), Arch (but use the AUR with caution), Debian (if you’re okay with using neolithic-age software), SUSE (European Fedora
with AppArmor instead of SELinux), Void (but software availability can suffer).The BSDs seem cool but it really depends on your hardware if you can run them. NixOS is awesome technology but has problematic business relations[1] so you might want to take a look at GNU Guix.
I’m not totally sure what’s going on there. There was something about a community split between Nix (the package manager) and NixOS (the distro) but I don’t remember which side is which. Using NixOS with Lix instead of Nix might be what you want. ↩︎
SUSE is now on SELinux too.
Oh really? Why did they switch?
I don’t know for sure. They announced it one day, but I haven’t really caught that much public discussion before that.
It might also be more accurate to say they switched the default selection, since you are able to select the MAC solution in the installer of the desktop versions, it’s just that SEL is now the default selection instead off AppArmor.
This was the mail they announced the change in: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/message/YN4TCBCU4A2V5G2MWR5EWYF46267BO7F/
Operating system gives a framework, so it has the potential to change mindset on workflow alone, similar to how our mind operate differently while playing two different racing games. though operating systems has yet to see their rennesance.
