I stopped at ps3. But when I worked at Activision, I learned that the ps5 was a great system to work on for development. It’s too bad that they’re fucking over consumers
I mean, given how hard the PS3 was to develop for I’d imagine Sony learned their lesson there.
PS5 and series X are pretty much just standardised PCs as far as hardware is concerned and they’re both full AMD setups to boot, I imagine it’s much easier to develop console games now.
PS3 had a weird ass CPU architecture. Very hard to make use of efficiently because of specialised coprocessors IIRC.
I actually ended up with a hierarchy of dev kits. I found the last gen kits to be miserable to work with, but the xbox dev sdk is pretty nice for both series and xbone. The PS5 is at the top for their suite of development tools. PS4 in comparison was horrific to use. PC with bnet was really good, but the build list could be overwhelming. There were times where different localization servers on the same server had different builds, it got very confusing at times
- PS5
- Battle.net
- Xbox series
- Xbox series retail
- Xbox one
- PS4
My ps3 was my last PlayStation couldn’t justify a ps4 and the ps5 was a nightmare for all the games releasing digital only (or having a disc that was effectively a drink coaster due to the game still needing downloaded in order to play)
I noticed the PS4 games took up way more hard drive space than the PS3 ones
Some PS3 games where 20-40GB each. You didn’t see the file size since the game actually ran off the disc. For a console where the average system size was 160GB is was not enough.
Linux PC is the only option left
You don’t own your games on Steam either.
Realistically we need laws changing to catch up. Nobody, not even good old uncle Gabe, are going to give us the same rights we had with physical games.
Support for Linux isn’t support for Steam.
I own my GOG games though. Factorio, which I got straight from WUBE, I also own.
I understand there are different levels to the word “own”.
Own them as in “I can play them even if that store is unavailable in the future” is one level.
Own them as in “I can trade/give them to others when I don’t want them any more” is another.
One is not better than the other, and they’re not mutually exclusive. But physical gives you both of them. Digital doesn’t. Or not yet at least.
Digital is better then surely? I can give it to you and still have my original.
Ah, the good old days.
You own them the same way you own Steam Games without DRM. If you keep a backup of them you’ll always have them but if the store goes away or terminates the files you won’t be able to re-download it from them.
So the same as physical games then, if you lose your copy its gone. But its much easier to backup and have multiple.
You really aren’t selling physical media with DRM to me, and they always seem to have DRM. I could make 20 copies on bluray if I wanted to with my games, much harder with your physical ones.
You don’t own games on gog, you just have a offline DRM free installer
If you want to go down the technicality of owning that much the same applies to physical media for games.
I could copy my installer to a DVD and at that point it doesn’t really make a difference, oh look its physical now.
Steam is still driving a lot of support for Proton and other open-source development for gaming on Linux, which is why they’re still worth supporting. And if (maybe when) they enshittify, then it is far easier to sail the high seas on any Linux gaming rig than it is on any console.
I’ve been team Sony since the first PS. PS5 is my last.
My last Playstation was the PS4, there’s not enough exclusive games on PS5 to make me buy it instead invest on my rig, also lots pf games who have been launched also runs on PS4, so it was meaningless anyway
The forced PlayStation plus for online was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Long live free PS3 multiplayer. The games are expensive already at $80.
I turned a refurbed gaming laptop into my last console. Runs nixos that boots straight into fullscreened gamescope -> steamos big picture ui. Best damn gaming srtup ive ever had
How much did the laptop cost you?
My old work laptop has an 11th gen i9 and rtx 3080 (laptop) and it goes for about $900 on ebay these days. Basically the same as a PS5 pro.
🤔 crazy to think that building a PC was cheaper before RAMageddon
Was about 2000 usd brand new, which i think amounts to about 1000 bucks in good comdition now?
Its an acer nitro 5 an515-55, p nice specs for when it released (2016-2020 ish i think).
Actually my gf’s old work machine (she does a lot of 3d modelling), we got a replacement free of charge because of manufacturing error regarding the battery, so its just been laying around. Perfect for this usecase as i just removed the battery, bypassing any funkiness in there.
So yeah lots of unknown variables there. If i had completely free choice id have gone with an amd gpu based machine. Muuuch less setup involved. The only real challenge in the setup was getting the nvidia gpu to play nice lol
sry for the infodump you triggered my ‘special interest’ trap card :P
That’s so cool and so fortunate to get! I’m not big into PC specs, but I understand it plays most games rather well, no?
No worries at all - I love me a good info dump :)
My last one was PS4 and I regret buying it now. I had like 40 games for PS3 and I thought I would probably repeat with PS4 but and at the end of the day, I only was interested enough to get 9 games. I’m just way too into doing things on the PC now and there’s just not enough exciting exclusive content to justify consoles for me.
PS3 is the last gaming console I can get behind, even if it wasn’t perfect. Everything has been enshittified to all hell since then and I just can’t any more. I actually bought a PS5, but the experience was just horrible. All the good things (the games boot up incredibly fast, I was actually amazed) were just drowned out by the negative aspects. I sold mine not long after. Never again. Tech is a living nightmare and nothing is exciting any more, just privacy violations and hostility to consumers. Nothing is worth it.
I was team PlayStation until the Vita, which betrayed my trust.
How Sony handled the PS4 made me lose faith in the company as a whole, with how they handled PS Plus
And the PS5 just made it easier to never buy from them again.
Sony is only a good company when it’s trying to win, while loosing. See PS1 and the end of PS3 era
The whole point of gaming consoles was to eek every bit of performance out of hardware by booting directly into the game rather than supporting a crufty general purpose operating system. The minute you do things like implementing a web browser interface to simplify development time at the expense of increased complexity, your product becomes functionally indistinguishable from a PC which your customers will switch to eventually to.
It’s also invalid since PCs now can also do exactly that with Valve releasing Gamescope and Big picture, which people colloquially call SteamOS. Even though you can do the same thing on any Linux Distro. It literally does exactly that. It loads a console-like UI in Steam to select Games and doesn’t load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop. Unless you want to boot that stuff up.
Are you seriously comparing a full-blown linux distro with a gaming app preinstalled; to cartridge-era no OS consoles and CD-era BIOS-only consoles AND calling them exactly the same thing because they both have
console-like UI in Steam to select Games
?
Oh, and the latter (doesn’t load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop) is simply not true, because desktop is not heavy at all and steam ships with built-in web browser
PS4 was my last one. I was up for getting a PS5 but it was too expensive when it came out and the scalpers got them all. I thought “No worries, I’ll just wait and it’ll get cheaper.” And then it just kept getting more expensive forever.
Same, fuck Sony
Down with discless Sony.
Would’ve been perfect with the disc version of the PS5.
Could at least have used the image of the PS5 with a disc drive in it…
Last one I had was the PS3 and since I own most of the same games I have on it on PC, it seems kind of pointless. Plus it roars like a Jet engine and still gets high temps despite having re-pasted it.
