No thanks, i already have a widescreen at home.
While i like the design language.
but now you can watch Lawrence of Arabia while the EMTs are cutting you out of the wreckage. TeKNOLOGEE
Can we please stop to directly compare pricing in china with prices in the west? Even if this car will come, its price will likely be at least 50% higher than what the exchange rate suggests.
If they could make it in South Korea at that price, it would be roughly that much (plus transport) in Europe because we have 0% tariffs on South Korean manufactured cars. They can not make it in South Korea for anywhere close to that price though.
China is incredibly protectionist when it comes to foreign cars and in addition it has a very well integrated lithium supply chain that the rest of us can’t match (environmental concerns being one reason we don’t have such extensive lithium mining, manufacturing and refinement in Europe). Cars for the Chinese market are made by subsidiaries owned partially by Chinese (usually at least half Chinese owned, BMW is an exception in that they now own a whopping 75% of their Chinese subsidiary and Tesla gets an exemption altogether because they’re special). So this Hyundai, produced by Hyundai Beijing, will get battery pricing that they couldn’t get even in South Korea despite the fact that South Korea has its own battery manufacturers (LG). I won’t even get into how cheap Chinese labor still is compared to European, though South Korean labor might still be cheapish too compared to Europe.
In response to this protectionism scheme, countries (USA) and trade blocs (EU) with their own automotive industries have decided to put tariffs on China. Because it is, quite literally, impossible to compete in manufacturing with a country of over a billion people not bound by equivalent environmental and labor standards compared to our own, coordinating a unified trade and manufacturing strategy. These cars are artificially cheap.
CATL will sell European manufacturers batteries for over 100€ a kWh. Chinese manufacturers get them for about 40€ per kWh currently. Other manufacturers exist, but CATL and BYD are the kings right now.
With non-lithium battery tech Europe could catch up in part since we could have friendlier battery pricing and perhaps even our own subsidies on it, but right now lithium is still king. Even NMC batteries still use lithium, despite having literally 3 other elements in their name. Catching up on the cost of manufacturing itself means either more automation in factories, or cheaper workers.
Sodium-ion could change this at the cheap end of the market eventually (low energy density, so not great for high-end cars). Much less environmental impact and more abundant minerals.
If they could make it in South Korea at that price, it would be roughly that much (plus transport) in Europe because we have 0% tariffs on South Korean manufactured cars. They can not make it in South Korea for anywhere close to that price though.
Current Ioniq 5 is 50k€ here
Due to the tariffs, mostly. Also the range calculation might be different.
Not only tariffs, also competition is very strong in china and margins are thin. And for the EU, cars likely need some adaption to meet regulatory requirements.
for the EU, cars likely need some adaption to meet regulatory requirements.
Most of that was emissions standards of EURO6.
range estimate, as it is built now would be about 300 miles. epa test more accurately reflects actual driving patterns.
but, it would never be imported as-is, because it’s built to china’s standards, or lack of. substantial cost to engineer and build for other markets with stricter standards would at least double the price (before the dipshit taxes), increase weight, and lower range estimates further.
it’s built to china’s standards, or lack of.
Because US or German cars are well built? LOL
I was interested until I hit that photo of the cockpit, my god what a horrible design.
US consumers fucking love big screen TVs in their cars.
yeah, I just commented elsewhere that I can’t afford an EV.
however, I would also not buy one because of shit like this. deal breakers for me include:
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spyware
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blinding LED headlights
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lack of physical controls
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excessive touchscreens
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driver distraction features
I’ll keep my carbon footprint as low as I can, but I’m not going to buy a vehicle that I can’t afford that spies on me and is more dangerous than something from 2012
The spyware is also something that I won’t do, never want to own a car with an internet connection.
ok, so you use a rotary dial phone as well? You are sending more frequent, detailed data from your phone.
That’s absurd logic, just because there’s a thing in my life with some telemetry left over despite doing what I can to disable the rest, doesn’t mean I should just say ‘screw it’ and buy every product that monitors me 24/7.
From Graphene?
what percentage of phone users use graphene?
What is your argument supposed to be here? It sounds like you’re throwing out ‘gotchas’ to try and prove that cars monitoring everything about us isn’t bad.
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Until Hyundai solves their ICCU problems, pass
until they don’t have driver distraction features, spyware, blinding headlights, and touchscreens instead of physical controls, pass
I think this is solved for more than a year now.
The last I heard they just swap a malfunctioning ICCU with one identical to it. They haven’t solved the root problem and the new ones might fail in the same way.
No, that is solved for two years now:
For Hyundai, the extended warranty applies to Hyundai Ioniq 5 models built up to April 2024 and Hyundai Ioniq 6 units produced until September 2024. “All Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6 vehicles manufactured after April 2024 (Ioniq 5) and September 2024 (Ioniq 6) are already equipped with an ICCU featuring an optimised design,” Hyundai Deutschland said in a statement.
Source: electrive
LOL.
This guy’s brand new 2025 Hyundai had an ICCU failure before he even got it.
Do not trust Hyundai on major quality issues. They fucked so many ICE owners with metal shavings in engines and it hasn’t got better.
I’m skeptical. “Optimized design” is marketing-speak and highly nonspecific. I will still pass until they go a few years without problems
They increased the warranty to 15 years on the older model with the potentially broken iccu version. Only thing really that speaks against it, is high insurance rates
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The exterior design and shape seems to take a healthy amount of inspiration from the XW60 Toyota Prius (2022+).
