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misk ( misk@piefed.social )  to Opensource@programming.devEnglish · 23 days ago

NetBSD may have found a new role: The AI-free FOSS OS

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NetBSD may have found a new role: The AI-free FOSS OS

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misk ( misk@piefed.social )  to Opensource@programming.devEnglish · 23 days ago
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  • rozodru ( rozodru@piefed.world ) 
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    I must be too stupid to get NetBSD running. I have OpenBSD installed just fine but for the life of me I just can’t wrap my head around getting the amdgpu stuff working. I don’t know why.

    • dusk ( dusk@piefed.social ) 
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      I don’t bother with any distro that isn’t designed to be installed easy. The 1st step should not be a hurdle.

    • ikidd ( ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Better ask an AI to install it for you.

  • StoneStar ( StoneStar@feddit.nl ) 
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    If people are gonna try NetBSD, please be aware of the “sysinst” command, it makes starting out a lot easier.

  • refalo ( refalo@programming.dev ) 
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    Can someone please tell the owner of https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware that NetBSD does not in fact have a “Permissive AI Policy.”

    • Denys Nykula ( nykula@piefed.social ) 
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      In fact, it matches two of the “Permissive” criteria: generated code has been merged, and the policy defines conditions that allow such merges (approval by core). The list still recommends various software made by NetBSD developers as viable alternatives to slop projects, where appropriate.

      • refalo ( refalo@programming.dev ) 
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        But how is requiring explicit approval (meaning it’s not something that is typically allowed) considered “permissive”?

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          The wording is weird. But the project (openslop) defines permissive as basically having a path for AI to enter the code. This lumps together both measured approaches like NetBSD’s and fully embracing slop contributions in the same category.

          I think this only makes sense if you view AI contributions as a taint, something that threatens the licensing of a project. In that optic, it really is an all or nothing. But it doesn’t help users choose among the options as much.

        • Denys Nykula ( nykula@piefed.social ) 
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          • misk ( misk@piefed.social ) OP
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            Do those two commits count as “increasingly”?

            • Denys Nykula ( nykula@piefed.social ) 
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              There were more commits, the scanner basically checks the most recent history and stops, just to confirm that the project still allows LLMs. I don’t have a laptop or good internet right now to clone the entire repo and grep logs.

              • misk ( misk@piefed.social ) OP
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                Before I refreshed it there were 4 flagged commits, all from September 1st. Since then there was one new LLM-assisted commit so it looks like the rate is decreasing.

                • Denys Nykula ( nykula@piefed.social ) 
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                  That is good to know. I’ve also just checked the commits, and now I’m unsure if the LLM-related lines actually signified LLM use or just were copied from updated software changelogs. I will remove my above comment and stop with this topic until I learn more.

  • refalo ( refalo@programming.dev ) 
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    NetBSD, the only OS where typing ldconfig instantly bricks your system without warning.

    • moldy_rice ( moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com ) 
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      Don’t you have to press enter?

    • AwesomeLowlander ( AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ) 
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      Lol?

      I know nothing about NETBSD and would like some stories.

      • Rimu ( rimu@piefed.social ) 
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        I just installed it but out of the box it’s extremely bare bones. There’s not even any software to install more software until you type (not copy and paste, because there’s no internet and no browser - type) these commands

        export PKG_PATH=https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/$(uname -p)/$(uname -r | cut -d_ -f1)/All  
        pkg_add pkgin  
        

        That failed to install the software-installer, there was some error message which makes me think my DNS settings are wrong.

        That was enough for me. I’ve got work to do.

        • AwesomeLowlander ( AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ) 
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          This is going to be the next Arch, isn’t it?

          • Rimu ( rimu@piefed.social ) 
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            Feels like hard mode…

            I like to tinker and I want to find a usable retro window manager and CTWM, the one they bundle, has great potential. Might take another run at it this weekend when I have more time.

          • Swedneck ( Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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            arch is like an IKEA flatpack, this is more like a bunch of tools and materials and a big textbook i think

        • Denys Nykula ( nykula@piefed.social ) 
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        • StoneStar ( StoneStar@feddit.nl ) 
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          That’s a lie, you simply run “sysinst” and select “install pkgin” from a curses menu. sysinst can also help you setup a wifi connection and other basic user config things from the comfort of a TUI. But good job in trying to scare people of from trying a good alternative OS.

  • onlinepersona ( onlinepersona@programming.dev ) 
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    Don’t they still do development on mailing lists? That will keep contributors out for sure 👍

  • Rimu ( rimu@piefed.social ) 
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    Downloading .iso now!

  • ArsonButCute (Am girl, use girl words pls) ( ArsonButCute@programming.dev ) 
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    I guess that’s probably the push I need to but it on my dc5700s. That thing’s been sitting on the shelf undeployed for too long.

  • misk ( misk@piefed.social ) OP
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    I’m going to try it on my ThinkPad X250 this weekend. I managed to install Gentoo with a handbook printout 25 years ago. This can’t be that much harder or am I in for a rough surprise?

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