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Wait what this doesn’t sound like reality
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Hmmm
Lolno. Not happening on any of my machines.
ah the tech onion
Who on Linux is going to consent to Microsoft telemetry on their machine?
Corporations
IT departments that need to check the box thats says “does your organization have antivirus or anti malware protection on all desktops?”. Common in soc audits and cyber insurance attestations.
There already better alternatives like clamav but I guess that assumes the IT department is actually Linux proficient.
ClamAV exists…
Yeah but clamav doesn’t have “a centralized dashboard with mdm and intune integration” e.g. a spreadsheet that says when everyone’s last scan was and that their definitions are up to date so the security theater can exist. Not to worry, more likely than not this is just built on a mountain of open source software like clamav that’s probably MIT licensed so MS can slap their logo on it and charge for it
No IT Auditor ever tests this, the just ask and if you say yes they move on. To actually test this you would have to statically sample a random sample of devices and confirm the antivirus is installed.
Instead that auditors are going to ask for a list off devices enrolled in the antivirus and a list of all devices (if the company even has an asset inventory) and see if they look right. But, most like the asset list will come from the antivirus enrollment and it won’t matter.
On their own machine, maybe not. On their employer’s machine, maybe if the employer demands it.
I didn’t realize businesses used Linux. Every place I’ve worked it’s been windows and Chrome/Edge.
It’s mostly Windows of course. But some people in those companies may prefer to use Linux, and this gives a them a higher chance of being allowed to do so. I for one am running Linux in a company that’s increasingly pushing for Microsoft stuff.
Defense industry, and basically every 3-letter agency. Probably a lot of state- and county-level government offices too.
Not just telemetry, probably full root remote access.
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People agree to Google telemetry on their Linux phones.
Not by default
I think that depends entirely on whether opt-in is legally required in a given jurisdiction but they’ll certainly try and use every dark pattern in their arsenal to do so.
No, I mean when you install android it doesn’t include the evil google blobs by default. You have to do that as an additional step.
Why is there google telemetry on Nura, Ubuntu Touch and SailfishOS?
Android is Linux with orders of magnitude more users than all of those combined.
yeah no… Android is as linux as Windows is POSIX compatible e.g. absolutely irrelevant that in the backend is running a linux kernel. Besides, only Google Android is plastered with Google Telemetry.
Their point is to answer the question “who is going to consent to Google telemetry on linux”. 99% of humanity, that’s who.
Corporations can plaster over the open source baseline to make a Product, at which point Consumers will feel the comfort and familiarity of being able to displace responsibility for their satisfaction onto someone else in exchange for a price, such as their privacy.
Consider the Capitalist adage “If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product”. How would that belief affect how someone feels about baseline Linux, about FOSS in general? They would constantly be waiting for the catch, for the monetization or hack or cult pitch or communism that explains why people are spending their time contributing to FOSS instead of making money.
Corporations are the devil they know.
Ah, so there’s no Linux in Android and it’s running some other kernel. Must have been mistaken, sorry.
I wonder what will be the point where we stop calling SteamOS a Linux distribution too. Maybe greybeards and their GNU/Linux thing were right. But now Ubuntu switched to Rust coreutils, I guess it’s no longer Linux. Apple recently stopped certifying POSIX compatibility so MacOS is longer UNIX even if they run BSD coreutils. Gosh, darnit.
tell me, how much do you interact with linux when you are on an Android Phone? 0 percent perhaps? No, you start in the single user application of android and that’s it.
SteamOS meanwhile is a full featured Linux distro, heck Steam in that Distro makes it super easy to switch to “Desktop Mode” e.g. KDE.
Linux is a kernel. If you try to define it as more you’ll find yourself in a land of contradictions due to previously mentioned examples.
Android is “Linux”. It might not have GNU userland or X11/Wayland. It is essentially a commoditised appliance but there’s Linux kernel there. KDE runs on many different Unix-like systems, it’s not something that defines Linux.
If I log into a remote Linux shell where a system administrator locked me out of most of the things, does it make it less Linux?
I wonder if there will be a libre version of this. Somehow use just the database with an open source version with no telemetry
And it’ll probably feel 150% faster compared to Windows. Just like Edge. lol
well that’s a big F you for people enjoying freedom at work by using linux instead of windows and avoiding corpo bs
clamav works fine on my mums laptop.
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Mildly related: I might try to convince my job to let me use Linux come device refresh time. But we use all Microsoft stuff. Is support for Teams, OneDrive, etc reliable on Linux? I have, of course, avoided it like the plague for personal use so I don’t know. Is anyone else in a similar situation?
There’s an unofficial Teams flatpak or just use web. I use Thundebird for Outlook. For some reason Outlook refuses to work on my Firefox, so I use Vivaldi for that too. OneDrive is fucked, but there is an Rclone integration if you can convince your workplace to give you the correct API permissions. I have unfortunately not.
I’ve used Teams on Linux and it worked fine. Granted it was basically just a wrapper for the web version, similarly with Outlook for Linux. I’ve not used One Drive on Linux, but that is what I’d be more concerned about.
I’ve used the web version of teams. Is the wrapper any different?
It’s basically chromium running the web version, but it appears as though it’s a stand alone app. At least that’s how it worked for the couple of Teams for Linux and Outlook for Linux apps I tried. I used this as part of a contract gig for about 2 years on Ubuntu machine.
Can you send files through the chat? It’s not an option in the web version.
Not really imo
Maybe they’re already capitulating, accepting they couldn’t write a proper os even if their damned lives depended on it and the next windows release will be a bastardised Linux distro with wine/proton built in so the compatibility would be transparent to the user. But idk, these are only hopes, I doubt that the people at Microsoft are that self aware and, even if they are, they’ll find a thousand ways to fuck it up.
