I had to trim my screenshots due to being a mod elsewhere, so I can see mod names. I think the screenshot of the interaction really sums this one up. I initially commented after a brief skim of the article, basically enough time to figure out that it wasn’t spewing great replacement bullshit, and then gave a little reminder that ecofascism is real and uses language such as “humans are parasites”.
OP responded with a suspicious comment, and another comment pointed out the author’s true intent, so I went looking deeper. At the very last part of the article, like 3rd to last sentence in the last paragraph, the author calls for a “non-coerceive” means to kill 70% of the human race. I called it out, and was banned.
eleitl is an ecofascist. I bet if we mathed it out we’d find we could easily provide for even more people if we weren’t wasting most of our resources.
Good to know that my fash detector is working at least.
we could easily provide for even more people
110%. We absolutely can provide for everyone and a growing population. We have everything we need. We just need to do it.
oh yea, we could provide for more than 10 billion people if we didn’t produce goods (especially food) in comically wasteful ways
also, for having listened to people like this before… you just know which 70% of humanity these people want to elimitate. and it’s not the ones most responsible for climate destruction!
I actually put some tought into this. During the second world war 50% of all food in the US was homegrown. we could do that again but this time with aquaponics systems. They are easier to maintain and they grow food much faster than traditional permaculture.
Why every home isn’t built with a greenhouse, or one of those compact inside systems I think.you are describing, is beyond me. You dont even need space anymore.
Thats because if everyone could grow their own food they wouldnt have a reason to go to work anymore. Theres a reason why states enclosed the commons.
Well I can’t grow computer chips or the complex machinery I love. I’d still have to trade for that, we’d still need some sort of industry for advanced applications. But yeah you couldn’t get me to show up at a bullshit office job thats for sure. I’m sure others would tho.
i tought of that aswell. There are already computers that run off of pressurized air. The one mentioned in the article was factory made but am sure we can figure something out. If that fails we could fall back to mechanical computing.
The only thing I’d argue to try to keep is medical equipment and modern medicine. Thats the Only thing that has me hesitate with den industrialization.
if we somehow do end up being able to do a controlled descent, the medical sector should be the last to go. if stuff like this interests you then check out the low-tech magazine
eleitl is an ecofascist. I
is this like a known fediverse fact or just based on this single screenshot? Would be good prxis to link to additional proof so that this statement is even more convincing
I think the evidence presented before us is enough. Two actions, both related, clearly offended, and then they also defend their position of what amounts to mass genocide.
Fashs need to get bashed and to be honest, I wouldnt bash someone (or take any other drastic action) just based on this. If they are really fascist there will be more situations like this anyway, so its probably just a matter of time till I am fully convinced as well.
Imo they are already telling you who they are in the most concerned way, listen to them.
I’d like more evidence, since they never suggested that as a solution, but presented as a result of overshoot if we don’t drastically change. Which clearly we are not. Earth Overshoot Day regresses every year.
As for saying the poor and powerless will be affected first, how is this not true? They already ARE being affected first now, and it’s not getting better.
Unless I see more they’re just saying what’s been said by so many over the years, and we’re not changing course. There’s comments in here about how we can do this and that to take care of the 8+ billion we have, but… okay? Let’s start? Like 20 years ago?
All I see here is overshoot facts, not a suggestion that we should start rounding up people or help the climate do what it’s going to do.
And I finally found the actual post, and I guess saying that they didn’t agree with the last part of the article or anything it suggests means nothing, huh? The ban might have been a bit heavy for just a single word, although there were better ways to argue the point. Doesn’t make the moderator one, as they said themselves that direction wasn’t a good one. Maybe OP should have argued if the article had merits enough to stay linked, vs. calling all involved names. And definitely inferring a name without evidence here.
Here you go:
https://anarchist.nexus/post/974583#comment_5920786I was about to post the link. Now we can see the actual discussion. Was a ban needed, probably not from what’s shown here. Don’t know if OP took it to DM and escalated it. I notice a possible brigading of downvotes though… interesting.
Nevertheless, the point of overshoot stands, and it will have an effect on population numbers. Like I said, it already is, look at conditions in third world nations thanks to the modern world’s progression. But that’s really not the discussion here, or rather, what it should be about. It’s simply was the argument about the word ecofascist and is that ban-worthy, and was it FOR that? I guess it was, since that’s all we have to work with.
See and now you are in here spouting the same lies that overshoot is inevitable as the divine right of kings. Its not. We can reduce consumption without genocide. Fucking hell, the urge to go directly to murdering people. There are no third world nations thats cold war alignment bullshit. There are vulnerable people to climate change, and from what I can see, systems that haven’t fully collapsed yet. Kill your gods and your masters, theres still time to save the Earth before they murder us all.
I covered all that in the other reply, this isn’t the place. You’re not wrong that we can make efforts. I think it’s too late to fully turn it around, but something is better than nothing. Be nice if we started.
Would you prefer non-westernized countries, developing nations, what? I just used a common phrasing, and it was clear who I meant. The ones who complained at the IPCC and got shrugs.
But this is for unfair bans, which no one has even talked about lol. I think it seems heavy just from the actual posts. I suspect there’s more to it, as there always is from one-sided arguments.
PTB. It really is an ecofascist statement and calling ecofascism a slur just makes them sound even more guilty.
The response they left me in that thread was so over the top I literally could not
Yea, their response to you was fucking nuts!
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another rule 0 vio🤦♀️
What are you talking about? There’s no rule 0 in that comm
Read the sidebar.
This isn’t a soap/c/, this is an arbitration /c/.I know what this comm is for, and I read the sidebar in every comm I want to post in. What about this makes you think it isn’t appropriate?
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?❓
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?⭕
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).❌
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).⭕
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied❌
All posts should follow this basic structure
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This is a loose structure. For the most part, I followed it.
On points 1 and 3, I didn’t de-obfuscate. I added obfuscation, to reduce the brigading that still happened, because we’re dealing with a fascist in our space here. On point 5, there is not much to remedy unless the mod is removed.
Edit: ok, it really bothers me that you’re getting pissy about point 3. I explicitly explained why I edited the screenshot. Literally first sentence.
I had to trim my screenshots due to being a mod elsewhere, so I can see mod names.
