Add Crowder to the list, Jordan Peterson (not his channel, but people uploading compilations of him “destroying someone with facts and logic”), and 1791.
Ashamed that I started going down this road, and nearly fell down this pipeline. Would have stopped me realising I was a woman and a lesbian, and would have led me to hold ideals riddled with such hate and vitriol that I can’t even begin to consolidate with my current views.
I find that people like Crowder, Peterson, Rogan, and Shapiro have very valid views. I do not agree with everything they say/believe, but nobody should.
My question to you is why you believe you, “nearly fell down this pipeline”. What pipeline, exactly? If you can think for yourself than you should never feel threatened by ideas, no matter who they come from or what they affiliate with. How could this proposed pipeline have stopped you from realizing you are a gay woman? If you are a woman then you are a woman, that isn’t complicated stuff (though some people sure make it out to be.) And who cares if someone is gay? The notion of sexual orientation seems silly to me because nobody is sexually interested in everyone of a given sex, we’re all sexually interested in **features **some people may have, and I don’t care what features someone is interested in. It doesn’t really define a person.
To this day I still listen to what those people have to say sometimes. I throw out the things I disagree with and question things that seem shady until I can do my own investigating. Never have any of these people, “filled me with such hate and vitriol” that something or another occured.
I believe in equality under the law for everyone. I think all people should be treated fairly and with respect, BARRING their life choices (rapists and murderers I do not believe (for example) should be treated with the same level of respect as a good, innocent person.) I do not believe anyone is greater or lesser based on sex, sexual orientation, race, etc. I consider myself rational, logical, objective, and free-thinking, and more open minded than most people who think they’re open minded.
You can’t put some people into these buckets and just declare that they are bad people who will taint and tarnish others. You and I both have free will (in a manner of speaking, anyway) and at the end of the day it is up to us to sift through the information coming at us and weed out the bullshit from what is simply true.
But here is the problem… Many people feel angered, scared of, or even hurt by the truth. Nobody said that the truth was easy. Making up our own stories so that they protect our mentality and how we feel is oftentimes a lot easier than dealing with an existence that most likely contains no overarching god-being that frankly does not care what happens to us. Human existence isn’t fair, it isn’t just, it isn’t always good, and sometimes the bad guys win. Once you can accept that the truth can be very ugly but it still remains the truth and you can accept those truths, the better off you make yourself, and the stronger you become.
We’re here for a blip of time then we’re gone forever and none of us are ever coming back. Nothing has any objective meaning so we have to make meaning for ourselves. I choose to live a life filled with love and compassion, but coupled with the strength to say that if you attack me and those things/people of which I love, I will do everything in my power to snuff you out to protect those loves in my world.
But I digress, my interests here are why you believe you can so quickly correlate some of the people shown here as some kind of hate-filled monsters. I don’t see them that way - not a single one of them. I would take a step back and - in all honesty and with respect - ask you what it is within you that filles you with the vitriol to believe this in the first place, and why do you feel so threatened by ideas?
Take Peterson for example. I’ve listened to a lot of Peterson’s lectures and other discussions. Not once have I ever felt that Peterson’s ultimate points have been to harm anyone. I don’t agree with everything he says, I’ll again make that clear, but he has points that I would argue are quite valid and can make you expand your thinking. But listen to Peterson, not his “followers”. Don’t let them take him out of context.
That being said, here are a few more things about me: I don’t vote. I consider both democrats and republicans to be brainwashed. I find politics to be sinister at its core. I believe everyone should be treated well, barring they are good people who deserve it. I don’t want to hurt anyone, or take anything from anyone. I want everyone to be allowed to live the way they like so long as it isn’t harming others, and I’m a staunch atheist.
I very likely don’t even fit into a single basket you might often casually place people in. When I used to post on Reddit for instance, the leftists would call me a altright and the rightoids would say I was a libtard. THIS - if you ask me - is about the stage when you know your worldview is probably about as correct as it’s gonna ever be.
This is a good faith conversation, by the way. I am genuinely interested in how people think.
By “pipeline” I mean the pipeline where all the algorithms that be are recommending you seemingly innocuous content alongside your usual things, but it slips the odd “maybe the trans people shouldn’t be able to ask you to use their correct pronouns” in with the rest. I am personifying, sure.
Disgusting people have said correct things before, but I do not put myself in a position to hear what they have to say generally. I don’t write off every view or opinion that someone has once I have discovered them for their ugliness. But I do approach their words with more scrutiny.
The pipeline is real - it is in part a sad accident of how the popular social media algorithms work, in part an intentionally manufactured thing by the most powerful machine of the modern age which no individual can withstand (marketing and advertising, alongside the ultra wealthy), all wrapped up with some good old boiling of the frog.
I truly don’t have nearly as much energy for this conversation as you clearly do - and I do not mean that negatively. If you find value in anything they say, more power to you, I won’t stop you.
You have made some deeply, deeply heavy assumptions about me, my point I was making in my original comment, and my assumptions about you (of which I have precisely zero) that all go way beyond what I said, however, and I think that you may find that worth examining in your own time, or not
Add Crowder to the list, Jordan Peterson (not his channel, but people uploading compilations of him “destroying someone with facts and logic”), and 1791.
Ashamed that I started going down this road, and nearly fell down this pipeline. Would have stopped me realising I was a woman and a lesbian, and would have led me to hold ideals riddled with such hate and vitriol that I can’t even begin to consolidate with my current views.
I find that people like Crowder, Peterson, Rogan, and Shapiro have very valid views. I do not agree with everything they say/believe, but nobody should.
My question to you is why you believe you, “nearly fell down this pipeline”. What pipeline, exactly? If you can think for yourself than you should never feel threatened by ideas, no matter who they come from or what they affiliate with. How could this proposed pipeline have stopped you from realizing you are a gay woman? If you are a woman then you are a woman, that isn’t complicated stuff (though some people sure make it out to be.) And who cares if someone is gay? The notion of sexual orientation seems silly to me because nobody is sexually interested in everyone of a given sex, we’re all sexually interested in **features **some people may have, and I don’t care what features someone is interested in. It doesn’t really define a person.
To this day I still listen to what those people have to say sometimes. I throw out the things I disagree with and question things that seem shady until I can do my own investigating. Never have any of these people, “filled me with such hate and vitriol” that something or another occured.
I believe in equality under the law for everyone. I think all people should be treated fairly and with respect, BARRING their life choices (rapists and murderers I do not believe (for example) should be treated with the same level of respect as a good, innocent person.) I do not believe anyone is greater or lesser based on sex, sexual orientation, race, etc. I consider myself rational, logical, objective, and free-thinking, and more open minded than most people who think they’re open minded.
You can’t put some people into these buckets and just declare that they are bad people who will taint and tarnish others. You and I both have free will (in a manner of speaking, anyway) and at the end of the day it is up to us to sift through the information coming at us and weed out the bullshit from what is simply true.
But here is the problem… Many people feel angered, scared of, or even hurt by the truth. Nobody said that the truth was easy. Making up our own stories so that they protect our mentality and how we feel is oftentimes a lot easier than dealing with an existence that most likely contains no overarching god-being that frankly does not care what happens to us. Human existence isn’t fair, it isn’t just, it isn’t always good, and sometimes the bad guys win. Once you can accept that the truth can be very ugly but it still remains the truth and you can accept those truths, the better off you make yourself, and the stronger you become.
We’re here for a blip of time then we’re gone forever and none of us are ever coming back. Nothing has any objective meaning so we have to make meaning for ourselves. I choose to live a life filled with love and compassion, but coupled with the strength to say that if you attack me and those things/people of which I love, I will do everything in my power to snuff you out to protect those loves in my world.
But I digress, my interests here are why you believe you can so quickly correlate some of the people shown here as some kind of hate-filled monsters. I don’t see them that way - not a single one of them. I would take a step back and - in all honesty and with respect - ask you what it is within you that filles you with the vitriol to believe this in the first place, and why do you feel so threatened by ideas?
Take Peterson for example. I’ve listened to a lot of Peterson’s lectures and other discussions. Not once have I ever felt that Peterson’s ultimate points have been to harm anyone. I don’t agree with everything he says, I’ll again make that clear, but he has points that I would argue are quite valid and can make you expand your thinking. But listen to Peterson, not his “followers”. Don’t let them take him out of context.
That being said, here are a few more things about me: I don’t vote. I consider both democrats and republicans to be brainwashed. I find politics to be sinister at its core. I believe everyone should be treated well, barring they are good people who deserve it. I don’t want to hurt anyone, or take anything from anyone. I want everyone to be allowed to live the way they like so long as it isn’t harming others, and I’m a staunch atheist.
I very likely don’t even fit into a single basket you might often casually place people in. When I used to post on Reddit for instance, the leftists would call me a altright and the rightoids would say I was a libtard. THIS - if you ask me - is about the stage when you know your worldview is probably about as correct as it’s gonna ever be.
This is a good faith conversation, by the way. I am genuinely interested in how people think.
By “pipeline” I mean the pipeline where all the algorithms that be are recommending you seemingly innocuous content alongside your usual things, but it slips the odd “maybe the trans people shouldn’t be able to ask you to use their correct pronouns” in with the rest. I am personifying, sure.
Disgusting people have said correct things before, but I do not put myself in a position to hear what they have to say generally. I don’t write off every view or opinion that someone has once I have discovered them for their ugliness. But I do approach their words with more scrutiny.
The pipeline is real - it is in part a sad accident of how the popular social media algorithms work, in part an intentionally manufactured thing by the most powerful machine of the modern age which no individual can withstand (marketing and advertising, alongside the ultra wealthy), all wrapped up with some good old boiling of the frog.
I truly don’t have nearly as much energy for this conversation as you clearly do - and I do not mean that negatively. If you find value in anything they say, more power to you, I won’t stop you.
You have made some deeply, deeply heavy assumptions about me, my point I was making in my original comment, and my assumptions about you (of which I have precisely zero) that all go way beyond what I said, however, and I think that you may find that worth examining in your own time, or not