weather might be up and down, but 60 Minutes is doing a piece on community opposition to data centres and will be filming at the rally - organisers are hoping for a big show of support!
1pm, Westgate Park Picnic Ground, Saturday 31st October
Is this protest ironically AI generated?
What will 24/7 noise and light pollution mean to this ecosystem which has become home to numerous endangered and rare species
This is an industrial site right next to a giant concrete port what are you talking about engendered and rare species??
It is one of a large number of such AI factories that threaten to derail our progress on emissions reduction because of their enormous power requirements
Why would higher power demand derail progress on emissions reductions? They’re not building coal or gas power plants to power this thing? Secondly half the year your power demand is negative: https://sw.ikt.id.au/ you NEED someone to start slurping up your daytime power
There are also real concerns about the significant water use in a drying and drought prone region.
Did they even look at what’s proposed:
South East Water has acquired a site in Sardine St, close to the new data centre, where they will construct a water recycling plant (WRP) to mine sewage from the Hobsons Bay sewer main and treat it to class A recycled water standard. S E Water has adopted a set of guiding principles on data centres including ‘recycled water first, where possible’. Given the proximity of the recycling plant to the data centre, it may well provide recycled water to the new facilty.
This sounds fantastic?
and there’s already a warehouse on this site?
What an overreaction
i tend to agree but the power being negative during the middle of the day is only really solved by building out loads that can vary their consumption. data centres are fairly static: they’re on all the time… which does mean wind is probably better than solar, which might help indirectly? but data centres with renewable grids require quite a bit of storage
Yup solar or wind + battery storage will win in the end, they’ve been proven to beat gas/coal and Australia is the perfect place for it, large country with loads of land and a small population
Gotta keep these records breaking: https://openelectricity.org.au/records
I’m impressed at your dedication to environmental destruction. Hey, there’s already a warehouse there, how could adding massive amounts of energy flows, 24/7 noise and light possibly be detrimental to the very small remnant bushland literally right next door?
The fact that we’re producing surplus electricity during peak daylight hours is immaterial to a facility that will demand massively more 24/7. Data centres don’t just turn off at night. We should be using surplus for industrial processing, in a manner similar to how we used to only grind flour when the wind was blowing. There’s lots of opportunities for such uses, and they could be even more incentivised by government, instead of giving grants and preferential treatment to foreign corporations to make mechanical minds that do not give back reciprocally to their environment.
Likewise, recycled water should go to other ecologically reciprocal uses first, not to horrifically inefficient and non-reciprocal mechanical minds.
The fact that we’re producing surplus electricity during peak daylight hours is immaterial to a facility that will demand massively more 24/7.
You’re right, these days we have something called batteries that store power at night
all the rest is just feel good hopes and dreams
Likewise, recycled water should go to other ecologically reciprocal uses first, not to horrifically inefficient and non-reciprocal mechanical minds.
Water and electricity are ALREADY going to the “horrifically inefficient and non-reciprocal mechanical minds” except Australians are stealing it from Americans
These (especially the Claude dc, everyone is using Claude these days) will let Australians pay locally for what they have been putting on Americans
okay now you truly lost me with “stealing from americans”… americans steal from the world - including australia - with economic and military coercion
anything we can do to scrape some remnants back isn’t unfair: its balance
you think getting americas coal and gas to power the inference we use instead of australian renewables is getting back at them?
remember, right now every ai token claude is pumping out by australian users is giving money to american coal and gas
and we australians are using trillions of tokens
i never said anything about that; just the framing of stealing from america
