• 0_o7 ( 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Whose fucking definition?

          It’s really hilarious how they create arbitrary “definitions” for themselves and pick and choose when and how to use them.

          Have to put down people of developing countries? yea, you’re from third world country. It’s suddenly about standard of life, civic sense, and freedom.

          Falls to fascism like it’s just another weekend and lets police run like brown shirts, does very little when they build concentration camps and climate choking machines, now the condition for “first world” switches to “we’re still ‘first world’ because we defined it”

          Fuck right off with your made up definitions. You can self assign yourself whatever the fuck you want, doesn’t mean rest of the world has to adhere by your “definition”.

          • gingernate ( gingernate@sopuli.xyz ) 
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            Here’s Wikipedia. It’s not my definition. I’m also not saying people haven’t used it in a derogatory way now as a term to refer to underdeveloped nations.

            The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Warsaw Pact. The United States, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, the Southern Cone, Western European countries and other allies represented the “First World”, while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Romania and the rest of the Warsaw Pact and their allies represented the “Second World”. This terminology provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on political divisions. Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed-upon definition of the Third World.[1] Strictly speaking, “Third World” was a political, rather than economic, grouping.[2] Political alignments in Europe during the Cold War after 1961

            Since most Third World countries were economically poor and non-industrialized, it became a stereotype or a derogatory euphemism to refer to developing countries as “third-world.” In political discourse, the term Third World was often associated with being underdeveloped. China was labeled “Third World” for several decades in the 20th century before its robust development in the 21st century. Some countries in the Eastern Bloc, such as Cuba, were often regarded as Third World. The Third World was normally seen to include many countries with colonial pasts in Africa, Latin America, Oceania, and Asia. It was also sometimes taken as synonymous with countries in the Non-Aligned Movement. In the dependency theory of thinkers like Raúl Prebisch, Walter Rodney, Theotônio dos Santos, and others, the Third World has also been connected to the world-systemic economic division as “periphery” countries dominated by the countries comprising the economic “core”.[1]

            In the Cold War, some European democracies (Austria, Finland, Ireland, Sweden, and Switzerland) were neutral in the sense of not joining NATO, but were prosperous, never joined the Non-Aligned Movement, and seldom self-identified as part of the Third World.

            Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, other terms have also been used instead of Third World such as developing countries, least developed countries or the Global South.

            • You just conveniently leave out the portion that talks about the modern defintion and interject your own. The fuck?

              It’s been a while since someone has intentionally editorialize a quote, probably why you left out all the hyperlinks and everything too.

          • sbird ( scallisto@retrofed.com ) 
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            “First world” was a Cold War era term, where “first world” is America-aligned nations (so by definition, that would include the U.S.), “second world” was Soviet-sligned (no longer really in use since the Soviets no longer exist), and third world was everybody who didn’t pick a side (so China after Sino-Soviet split, India, Brazil, etc.)

            Most organisations use the more neutral terms “developed” and “developing”, and the U.S. is definitely a developed nation (there are less binary terms that economists and such use to categorise even further that you could look into, just check the organisation who runs it since many can be biased towards certain things compared to others)

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                I am not trying to encourage the use of the term (it was a Cold War term), the idea of developing nations being part of the “third world” implies that they are far lesser than the first world nations, so it’s a stupid term that nobody should use in my opinion.

                • What’s wrong with the modern defintion?

                  You’re refusing to even believe there’s another one, if you perpetuate the antiquated one, and incorrectly try and correct someone who is trying to use it right, you’re only making things worse.

            • Anywhere but the selfish United States it is. Do they not teach you how words and language can evolve…?

              The only place still using the antiquated definition is the US. I think it’s so they can feel better or something, but yeah. Stop perpetuating outdated and racist definitions.

              • sbird ( scallisto@retrofed.com ) 
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                We aren’t advocating Cold War era definitions! We’re saying first/third world is stupid and nobody should really use it!! There’s a reason why most economists and such use developed/developing (or less binary classifications)

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            “First world” just meant the states that were America-aligned (so by definition, the U.S. goes here).

            The “world” term is stupid and nobody should use it anymore (it implies that “third world” countries are lesser than America’s allies)

            Developing / developed economies is what more people use nowadays, and the U.S. would be classified as developed, though a binary is still not too helpful given there are lots of in-betweeens (the big elephant in the room, China, argues it should remain classified as a developing nation because, as it turns out, there is wealth inequality there too + billionaires taking too much of the pie, so a large chunk of people still live under conditions closer to developing countries, while others say that China should be a developed nation given they have the second strongest economy)

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              That’s the American centric definition, yes. Why are you continuing to choose an antiquated and selfish definition?

              The only ones I see using it are Americans, so they can continue to believe they aren’t third world.

              Only Americans use that word. The rest of the world knows how selfish and wrong it is.

              Proof

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                I literally said the term is stupid and nobody should use it. I’m not advocating for it because it isn’t a good definition. Also, having developing nations classified as a part of the “lesser world” is not good at all!

                Again, I would avoid using “first world” and “third world”

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      FYI, “third world” is culturally insensitive, if not racist. Hell, even “developing countries” is ethnocentric at its core. Of course, “historically exploited, oppressed, exsanguinated nations” doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue. 😅

      And, yeah, after volunteering w/ anti-trafficking orgs in the PacNW, I learned that NE OR is a notorious crossover for that and worse.

      Vast tracts of wild foothills, deep gorges, alpine mountains, dense forests, geolithic scatter, et al, are a added obstacular layers to justice groups.

      For example, The Hunted was not unrealistic in its depiction. Meek’s Cutoff, Leave No Trace, Pig, and even the classic Stand By Me are right up there, too. (FWIW, Wild is a honorable mention for showcasing the diverse, and largely untouched backcountry along the PCT) 🤘🏼

      • TheMightyCat ( TheMightyCat@ani.social ) 
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        Nor does third world country even mean “developing countries” or “historically exploited, oppressed, exsanguinated nations” it means not US or Soviet aligned but it seems everyone has forgot that.

        The US can’t stop being a first world country because the entire definition of first world country is US aligned. (unless the russians completely take over the US at which point they would be second world i guess?)

        Edit: Unless you mean the maoist sense, then third world does mean “historically exploited, oppressed, exsanguinated nations”, but in that definition the US would still not be part of the third world.

        • I mean, that’s only if you choose to continue to use the US only defintion. Part of language is it evolving, the words usage has changed.

          It now, no longer meets the bars of “stable economy” and “high standard of living”.

          But sure, continue to use an antiquated definiton.

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            Well i’m from the Netherlands and i use that as the definition so your statement of it being US only is false.

            The three worlds model is called the 3 worlds because there was a quite clear cut line between if a county was US, Soviet, or non aligned. and these “worlds” were called worlds because the people of the first and second world had relatively little contact with eachother.

            Yes its an antiquated definition i agree, so why try to use the antiquated three worlds model nowadays where it no longer makes sense to use? What is the second world now according to your definition?

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            Mate, we are not advocating for the use of the U.S. centric definition (and not the Maoist one either). “First world” and “third world” are not good terms to classify the economies and stability of nations, given its historic bias towards America’s allies (which is stupid!) and how developing nations are put as a “third world”, like they are lesser (very very stupid!! We are not supporting this!!!)

            When we mention this definition, we are not approving or accepting the use of the term to mean it, we are trying to say this term shouldn’t be used at all!

            Developed/developing is a bit better, but as others have said that is not perfect either. Turns out, the economies and stability of nations does not fit nicely in a binary!

          • Voixe2 ( Voixe2@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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            Anytime I see “language is always evolving” it’s always to excuse someone using language wrong

            Evolution is “god be with you” turning into goodbye, not redefining a word to fit your definition instead 😭

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              Most of those words you used have had their definitions changed or didn’t exist in the past…. So you’re using words that you shouldn’t use if that’s what you think.

              Words also have multiple meanings, and you can already choose which one depending on the situation.

              People like you just refuse to acknowledge change.

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                “You refuse to change words arbitrarily, yet you are using words that changed in the past, curious. Here is a screenshot of Wikipedia. I am very intelligent” is all I’m getting here from this.

                Words changed in the past before we had things like dictionaries and shit, different times

                (And the Soviet Union was dissolved like a decade before I was born so I don’t think it’s a “refuse to change” thing 😭)

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                  “You refuse to change words arbitrarily, yet you are using words that changed in the past, curious. Here is a screenshot of Wikipedia. I am very intelligent” is all I’m getting here from this.

                  What’s arbitrary about using a non-racist, non-selfish modern defintion of a word?

                  Words changed in the past before we had things like dictionaries and shit, different times

                  What? Words continue to change, and to be added to the dictionary.

                  You think they printed edition one of the dictionary and that’s all we’ve ever had?

                  You’re perpetuating an antiquated word, only the US uses it, and people like you allow it to be perpetuated by dogging your heels in that “language can’t evolve”. It still is, and always will.

                  Is there any source I could provide that WOULD change your mind? I can go into multiple dictionary websites and choose a random word and show your it’s history over time. Almost every word has a history, unlike what you’re claiming and saying here.

                  Look, crunk wasn’t even a word when dictionary’s were invented, and yet it’s in one… how could that be if words can’t evolve and change…?

    • calliope ( calliope@retrolemmy.com ) 
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      This is essentially how the Turpin family was discovered in 2018. One of the girls made friends online (on YouTube singing at first, I think) and it led to her eventually escaping and getting to a cop.

      That was in Perris, California; north of San Diego.

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          You really can’t see any connections between a teen using Among Us to find help, and a teen using YouTube to find help?

          They “just” went through a window to find help? What’s your point here?

          I just wondered why someone would be this pedantic about kidnapping awareness. Like, why?

          So I asked, and you downvoted. Smart!

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    imagine being a player in a game lobby and some random other player says this to you. even just imagining it is sobering.

    good on the other player for stepping up.

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      Ontario, OR, where the kidnapper was arrested, is right on the idaho border. I dunno exactly why it’s being tried in boise but maybe he’s still listed as resident there or some such?

      Northeast OR is basically idaho, culturally and politically, it’s likely he had some kinda connections that stretched across the border.

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        Can you make a martyr out of a pedophile? If not, then sure. Pay per view and give the money to the victim. People who rape are the worst people. Worse then murderers. I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who does the worst thing you can do to someone.

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          Do you support letting government torture criminals and livestream it?

          It’s not about ignoring the heinous nature of their crimes. You can’t normalize government hacking pieces off criminals as ‘punishment’.

          • Potocobe ( Potocobe@lemmy.zip ) 
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            Yeah, I know. 😔I just hate pedophiles a whole extra a lot. You can’t trust government to even deliver the mail on time anymore let alone decide who gets capital punishment. I know. I get the disconnect between wanting some criminals to be tortured and live streamed and forgetting who would be charged with carrying it out. Sorry about that.