- 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 38•1 year ago
This whole anti-systemd thing is so pathetic.
- immibis ( @immibis@social.immibis.com ) 4•1 year ago
“This whole anti-Microsoft thing is so pathetic. Just use Windows.”
- HubertManne ( @HubertManne@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
I understand it. I never liked windows moving to the database like registry for configs. But it is what it is type of thing. I might choose a distro because it still uses sysv and I already like freebsd so its a possibility for me to but I also like really easy and convenient distros I can install and go with. Generally im not really mucking about in those systems anyway except at a very high user level.
- 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 ( @Dirk@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
The thing coming closest to the Windows registry is Gnome’s GConf.
systemd also isn’t a monolithic blob. It would cause some work but you can individually replace the various systemd-related programs with own implementations. They all just communicate with each other, they’re not chained together.
- HubertManne ( @HubertManne@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
Sorry I did not mean to say it was like the move to registry. More like I did not personally like and similarly am not wild about systemd myself. But ultimately it is with the flavors to decide what they are going to do and folks to use what they are gonna use. Again myself when it comes to install and go, im gonna use whatever works best for me and if thats distro with systemd then it is what it is.
- AboyBboy ( @AboyBboy@pawb.social ) 29•1 year ago
Jesus Christ that author is insufferable.
- fx_ ( @fxttr@feddit.de ) 14•1 year ago
He sounds like a bitter, stagnant, arrogant old man.
- words_number ( @words_number@programming.dev ) 23•1 year ago
Until someone can provide actual, techological disadvantages of systemd over currently available, viable alternatives, this is an irrelevant culture war for me. I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
- nous ( @nous@programming.dev ) 12•1 year ago
I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
Basically this these days. It started out with people not liking change, not liking the author and miss-understanding what systemd is trying to do. Then latching onto some aspects of it and refusing to let go or change their minds at all.
The tragedy of systemd talk goes over a bunch of the common reasons (and counter points) about why people don’t like systemd as well as the history of init systems.
- mexicancartel ( @mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 5•1 year ago
One thing i can think of is that systemd won’t work in chroots(tell me if i’m wrong, help!). That is, apps requiring systemd cannot be run in chroot environment as it does not “boot up” at all. Systemd, due to it being an init system used to boot up, and being a daemon for other apps, makes it that you can’t run such apps in a non-booted environment.
I would like it so much if it was splitted into two something like “initd+systemd” or “systemd+servicesd” for boot up and running services seperately. So you can choose your init system or not to have an init system for chroot.
- Jérôme Flesch ( @jflesch@lemmy.kwain.net ) 4•1 year ago
At first sight, it looks like it can be used with chroots thanks to
systemd-nspawn
(I haven’t tried it though)
- 𝓢𝓮𝓮𝓙𝓪𝔂𝓔𝓶𝓶 ( @SeeJayEmm@lemmy.procrastinati.org ) 2•1 year ago
I don’t like <thing> so no one else is allowed to like <thing> seems to be rampant.
- V ( @vanderbilt@beehaw.org ) 21•1 year ago
This article reads like the writer has untreated mental health issues. Like actually unhinged.
- Trebach ( @Trebach@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
The writer reminds me of Terry Davis, except not as bright.
- calm.like.a.bomb ( @_calm_bomb_@lemmy.ml ) 18•1 year ago
I couldn’t understand exactly what the problem is… and the writing style is infuriating. State your problem, then explain what you want!
- StudioLE ( @StudioLE@programming.dev ) 15•1 year ago
We should think about starting a GoFundMe to get the author the mental health support they so clearly need
- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) 8•1 year ago
This post reads like a sysadmin tried to update to the latest Ubuntu LTS at work and systemd caused a C&A team to go aggro because they’ve never heard of it, and now said sysadmin has to maintain a couple of hundred 12.04 LTS installs by hand, backporting packages from 22.04.2 LTS just so the cutting edge software the userbase requires to do their jobs will run.
- orsetto ( @orsetto@beehaw.org ) 14•1 year ago
The author of this article:
- Netto Hikari ( @NettoHikari@social.fossware.space ) 13•1 year ago
Wow, whoever wrote this doesn’t have a clue about systemd, Firefox, Librewolf or whatever. I stopped reading after a while. Couldn’t stand it.
- Raincloud ( @Raincloud@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
But the end is the “best” part, the one where using systemd causes the literal(!) apocalypse.
- bbbhltz ( @bbbhltz@beehaw.org ) English12•1 year ago
Hard to read. At first I thought it was satire.
- Engywuck ( @Engywuck@lemmy.ml ) 11•1 year ago
I may agree with him/her, I may not. But that’s unreadable.
- borlax ( @borlax@lemmy.borlax.com ) 10•1 year ago
People like that make me like systemd. Honestly, I see no issues and rarely have a problem with systemd. Shitposting about it is all well and good, but being an anti-systemd evangelist is tiring and weird. All these old heads can still just grab the kernel and build their own OS around it with whatever init they want.
- socphoenix ( @socphoenix@midwest.social ) 7•1 year ago
They also seem to congregate on FreeBSD… it’s my preferred os but eventually it’s going to bite them seeing how most new server apps (including lemmy) seem to rely on it!
Having said that they have Firefox 115 running fine without any system level wrappers so not sure why he’d be having issues on a non-systemd os if the FreeBSD Firefox maintainer can figure it out.
- nyan ( @nyan@lemmy.cafe ) 8•1 year ago
Betteridge’s Law of Headlines: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word ‘no’.” A check of the ebuild indicates that Firefox on Gentoo doesn’t depend on systemd, elogind, udev, or even dbus. It isn’t Firefox’s fault if a given distro can’t configure it and its dependencies properly (well, okay, it sorta is, because its configuration setup is complex and ugly, but . . .)
For $DEITY’s sake, if you’re going to be anti-systemd, do it for real reasons.
- nik282000 ( @nik282000@lemmy.ml ) 7•1 year ago
millennials
Do I really have to read past this word?
- GizmoLion ( @GizmoLion@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
The last several lines are so insanely unhinged, completely untethered from reality lol.
Also, when this guy learns about X11 vs Wayland he’s doing to die of an aneurysm.
- Freeman ( @freeman@lemmy.pub ) 4•1 year ago
Well…
I just installed Pop_OS which uses systemd-boot to boot instead of grub. I gotta say…its one of the areas I really like systemd over the legacy grub bootloader.
Most systems still have legacy backports too of things like init. So you can still use old commands to do basics like restart services etc.
- falsem ( @falsem@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
systemd-boot is so much easier to work with than grub.
- Freeman ( @freeman@lemmy.pub ) 2•1 year ago
Definately agree. For a very long time I have been one of those “what problems is systemd solving over init/upstart”
This is 1000% one of them. In my setup my EFI paritions are totally separate. So theres no risk as well as Pop_OS bungling my windows boot loader and vice versa. I was very happy with this change.