I would love to help out on this fork if needed !

Sorry for the late-ish response, but: I’m in favor of sticking this out for now.

1. I’m still wrapping my head around “fedi-reddit” as it stands now, and if I, an individual in the webtech industry, is still trying to grok the thing, I can only imagine the confusion of the masses. Having an instance of the most well-known, stable software available at the moment will be helpful for anyone looking to jump ship from Reddit.

2. While the Lemmy devs situation is unfortunate, thanks to the nature of FOSS, what we use is under our control, not theirs. Defederating and moderating the problem instances is always an option, as you’ve already done. Even updating this instance to a super minor fork (removing donate links/references to old Lemmy, using a different software name, and that’s it), could easily be enough to distance them, if that’s the goal. As others have already pointed out, this feels very similar to a Pleroma/Akkoma deal. (Side note: Until something bigger and better appears, I’m happy to help develop forks! My strength is in UI/UX, not backend. Maybe not much to do on that front, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ )

3. This instance is pretty new so it wouldn’t be the worst thing to replace this with something else before it gets bigger. But, especially when running a platform for others, there is something to be said for not being swept about too much by discoveries and events like this. ex. Just because a navy has a reputation doesn’t mean that the ships are inherently bad. What matters is what those ships get up to and what flag they’re flying.

Very disappointed to hear this about the Lemmy developers. I had already guessed Lemmygrad was tankie based on the logo alone but I didn’t know how deep it went. Defederating from genocide-denialists has my full support. I’d feel more comfortable dropping lemmy.ml also if they’re run by the same people, but I can think of good reasons why that might be impractical at the moment.

Making a fork that removes references to the original devs sounds good. Maybe there are other instances that feel similarly and would be interested in collaborating on it?

Hey im new here and was planning on using this account as my “main” instance I guess. If you defederate from lemmy.ml that sucks cause we will lose alot of communities and users coming from reddit.

Or maybe im misunderstanding. I considered joining mastodon after the twitter debacle but federation and instances confused me and worried me that they could just randomly shut down or change like this.

I don’t see why this should be an issue at all, can’t we just use the tech and just defederate lemmy.ml, i see them as two separate things

Would this means that this instance will vlose down in the future

@crashdoom Yes, switch to Kbin and try to port some QOL greasyfork scripts into the source.

We’re going to be setting up a fork to maintain some separation, add additional features, and remove references due to raised concerns.

For the additional features that will be added, how well would the additional features work with 3rd party mobile client (which I hope lemmy won’t shut down ahem) such as Jerboa for Lemmy?

“EDIT, Update: We’re going to be setting up a fork to maintain some separation, add additional features, and remove references due to raised concerns.”

I would be interested to help with the fork of lemmy once everything is forked.

I’m still new to all this, coming from reddit, but I do have some questions. (Still trying to wrap my head around lemmy, kpub, and the whole “fediverse”)

Would migrating still allow access to other communities (beehaw being one example), or is kpub a completely separated “system” from it? Or is Kpub more of another backend to the same? (Please excuse any mistaken terms, I’m trying my best to articulate)

What would be lost in migrating, if anything?

Unpopular opinion: I personally don’t really see a problem with how they handled this. Moderating such a large instance for effectively free on top of developing the software is a huge undertaking, and the rules they define need to be ones that they can legitimately enforce. If they make rules (that, frankly, don’t actually matter a ton) that they don’t have the time to enforce, then they effectively have no rules at all.

This isn’t like reddit. They don’t make one community and moderate that. Instances can host hundreds of thousands of communities. At some point you have to rely on communities to self-regulate and only close down those that are egregiously bad.

By not regulating speech that isn’t, let’s say, “blatantly evil,” they have more time to put towards more important moderation of content that actually harms people. This is why the reddit admins rarely get involved, too: because moderating every community is impossible. And they’re paid to do it!

That said, I haven’t looked deeply into all that they’ve supposedly done, so my opinion could change, haha

• Does forking interfere with federation at all?
• One of the linked articles mentions that mod actions are federated - does that mean that if somebody is banned on any lemmy host, they’re banned everywhere? Or only that the log of it is federated?

It seems like if Lemmy is forkable in a way that doesn’t break federation, and if pawb.social can ‘own’ their own moderation in the same way a mastodon instance does, that would be the ideal path. I think something like Lemmy loses a ton (most, really) of its value without federation. It’s basically a small community forum without that. But at the same time, yeah, that second article about people being banned for being critical of China is veeeeery offputting.

I know in reddit threads today about the API / 3rd party app shutdown fallout, there were some highly-placed comments recommending Lemmy. It would be nice to have a fallback after reddit.

Hey there! This is something I’ve come across myself as well.

In my case I decided to go with lemmy for the time being, but only because Kbin seems to need a bit more development. I tried to get it to post to Mastodon, but it simply won’t… and posts from Mastodon to Kbin didn’t work either (they were all classified as microblog).

I’m pretty sure that eventually there’ll be a fork, like there has been for Pleroma / Akkoma, Mastodon / Glitch Social or Misskey / Calckey.

Since this is the month of reddit’s exodus, it’s probably worth it to have something setup to take in refugees and stay afloat until there’s a fork with better and much needed features. It’s only a matter of time.

Since it’s open source, using lemmy at the moment does not mean I agree with the dev’s political viewpoints, nor do they have access to our user’s data. But regardless I do agree that it would feel better to jump on a fork at some point. But right now I would focus on building the community / instance first.