Why YSK?
The first person who typed “should of” probably heard of it in real life that was meant to be “should’ve”, they typed “should of” online and readers thought that it’s grammatically correct to say “should of” which is in fact wrong and it became widespread throughout the years on Reddit.
I hope something could start to change.
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) English91•1 year agoI’m not a grammar nazi, but “should of” is driving me up the wall.
I know right, I know people make careless grammatical mistakes all the time, including me, which is completely fine but people outright thought that “should of” is correct and use it all the time starts to get annoying
Today ( @Today@lemmy.world ) English9•1 year agoSame! I rather see shoulda than should of.
- 😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈 ( @MedicPigBabySaver@sopuli.xyz ) English6•1 year ago
Don’t crash to the floor. That’d hurt.
hardypart ( @hardypart@feddit.de ) English3•1 year agoGiving my best!
lhx ( @lhx@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoBut more importantly, where do you stand on the Oxford comma?
Ghukek ( @Ghukek@lemmy.world ) English5•1 year agoI strongly prefer it but it’s not something I feel is worth correcting someone on.
Today ( @Today@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoOh, Dude! I’m 99% for it. On the night before my uncle’s funeral, while labeling photos for the slideshow, two of my cousins got into an Oxford comma fight. John, Joe, and Jeff. Take out the second comma. But it’s right! But it looks stupid! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Rick ( @Rick@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoAh funerals, people really get upset over the smallest things due to all the pain from the loss. I don’t want to ever go through that again but I know it’s just a part of life. :(
Today ( @Today@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoYeah. Had to do it twice in the last year. Sucks.
Rick ( @Rick@lemmy.world ) English1•1 year agoDamn man, I’m really sorry for your losses. I’ve experienced something similar in the past. It’s like when one person dies, more follow shortly. I feel like when people loose their loved ones, its like some peoples bodies when they are old just give up as the person they loved disappeared.
JustZ ( @JustZ@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoIt’s mandatory in a series, only. Something is only a series of there are three. Plenty of time the cadence and diction sounds like a series but isn’t.
If the first two or last two are antecedent to one another, you don’t need the comma. Said another way, if the first or last noun is not severed from the second, you need a serial command to indicate that.
It depends on what you’re trying to say.
Art3sian ( @Art3sian@lemmy.world ) English44•1 year agoNice one. Who’d’ve guessed.
quantumantics ( @quantumantics@lemmy.world ) English16•1 year agoI wouldn’t’ve, that’s for sure!
Anarch157a ( @Anarch157a@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoAs a non-native speaker, that hurts !!!
denemdenem ( @denemdenem@lemmy.world ) English10•1 year ago😱 You are triggering my fear of more than 1 apostrophes in a word
taj ( @taj@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoCoulda, shoulda, woulda…
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year ago:(
msdos622 ( @Lemmyin@lemmy.world ) English36•1 year ago MigratingApe ( @MigratingApe@lemmy.world ) English12•1 year agoIsn’t it actually “For Fuck’s sake”?
Izzent ( @Izzent@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoOnly correct take here…
lol I remember reading this on Quora
taj ( @taj@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoFor fucks sake…
Nanachi ( @Seven@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agojust say “F.F.S.” from that point on
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agolol
Bumblefumble ( @Bumblefumble@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year agoI think it would be “for fuck’s sake”.
addie ( @addie@feddit.uk ) English35•1 year agoNot wanting to be purposefully controversial, but language is a tool for communication and as long as it’s understood by the target audience, then I’d say it was used effectively.
The English language doesn’t have a governing body (unlike say French and Spanish) and so whatever we agree on is correct usage. “Grammatically incorrect” has long been a dog-whistle signifier for elitism (you don’t have the expensive education to know what’s correct) and racism (the local dialect that you speak isn’t our ‘prestige’ version, therefore you are inferior) and I don’t really like to see it. Even when those aren’t your intentions when correcting people, it still rankles with me.
Not that I’d write ‘should of’ on my CV or anything, but it doesn’t offend me any on an internet forum.
a_rational_llama ( @a_rational_llama@lemm.ee ) English27•1 year agoand as long as it’s understood by the target audience
Duy’ou-ndarstend Diz?
Understanding written text is more difficult when the existing established conventions that impart meaning are ignored.
Sure, those conventions evolve over time, some errors are worse than others, and no one’s going to write perfectly all the time. But that doesn’t mean anything goes and the writer has no responsibility to write clearly and correctly.
Agree with you wholeheartedly
I perfectly understand “Duy’ou-ndarstend Diz?” but I really would not want to read this over and over again.
Of course, I don’t aim to change everyone, you do you. I just want to use the opportunity to say there is a difference between “should have” and “should of”.
RedundantObsession ( @RedundantObsession@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year agoI see your point, and in some way I agree myself. Language is always evolving, and the way English is spoken today is far off from what it was back in the day. And the way we use language tells a lot about a persons background and history. This is not something negative, this is personality and differences between people.
And it’s not someone’s job to change someone or everyone, but it should be accepted to correct when others are wrong. I for one like when people do this to me; I actually encourage my friends to do that to me. This is how I learn and develop my language, and should not be viewed as a negative. If I use language “wrong”, I at least want to be aware of it so I can correct it if I feel the need. I think this should of been how more peoples think it about 😋
noisetricks ( @noisetricks@sopuli.xyz ) English1•1 year ago*Have course
RagingSnarkasm ( @RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world ) English11•1 year agoWait, my 6th grade English teacher was a racist? That explains a lot.
Thanks for the info about French and Spanish governing bodies. TIL
Confuzzeled ( @Confuzzeled@lemmy.world ) English10•1 year agoWhat I’m hearing is we need to set up some kind of formal governing body to properly enforce the grammar rules of English. Maybe Hugo boss could make some uniforms.
Exitlude ( @Exitlude@beehaw.org ) English3•1 year agoIt doesn’t necessarily have to invoke that kind of imagery. Spanish has the Royal Spanish Academy and within my lifetime they have removed a couple of letters from the alphabet (ch, ll).
Confuzzeled ( @Confuzzeled@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoAh I was just being glib to try and be humorous. Alas my “sense of humour” rarely gets the response looked for. I will keep working on it.
RedundantObsession ( @RedundantObsession@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoI slightly changed my breathing pattern after reading your comment, if that helps. Not full nose-blow-funny, but you caused a small, positive reaction. Keep it up!
Confuzzeled ( @Confuzzeled@lemmy.world ) English1•1 year agoThanks, the feedback is appreciated. I’ll try and work my way up from heavier breathing pattern to semi snort, and from there? the sky’s the limit.
Lifter ( @Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de ) English2•1 year agoI guess that would finally settle the colour vs color debate
Anarch157a ( @Anarch157a@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoPortuguese has it too. Our language is governed by an international treaty between Portuguese speaking countries.
- 😈MedicPig🐷BabySaver😈 ( @MedicPigBabySaver@sopuli.xyz ) English5•1 year ago
Ha, “rankles”. (✿☉。☉)
toadmode ( @toadmode@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoFrench and Spanish have “governing bodies”, but in practice they don’t actually govern how people use the languages.
Sonemonkey ( @Sonemonkey@lemmy.world ) English23•1 year ago“Should of” is bone apple tea material.
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoShould of have’ve known that.
Drew Got No Clue ( @ndr@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoI feel pain.
Drew Got No Clue ( @ndr@lemmy.world ) English22•1 year agoTyping “should of” is a sign of failing to understand the basics of English grammar.
blackbelt352 ( @blackbelt352@lemmy.sdf.org ) English7•1 year agoEh, it’s just shifting of how written work is relfective our spoken word. It’s pretty rare for me to use a stronger “ah” sound when saying “would have” most of the time defaulting to a softer schwa sound, which sounds almost exactly how how “of” sounds. English has been changing and evolving for centuries. There’s even major epochs like the great vowel shift. Hell if Shakespeare were around today and making the drastic changes to the english language like he did back then he’d be crucified by internet prescriptivists for using English improperly.
If you’d like something a bit more modern, Mark Twain broke english rules all the time in his writings and he’s considered one of, if not, the greatest American writers.
Drew Got No Clue ( @ndr@lemmy.world ) English7•1 year agoI’m sorry but it doesn’t fully work here. ‘of’ phonetically should not be spelled with a ‘f’, so they are already using a word that is not pronounced as it is written, might as well use “would’ve”, which removes the part that isn’t pronounced as it was traditionally “ha-”, but at least it’s still correct.
They use ‘of’ because they don’t understand (or pay attention to) the grammar of what they’re saying.
DesGrieux ( @DesGrieux@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year agoShakespeare did not “make” changes, he’s just a very good record of changes that had taken place.
berkeleyblue ( @berkeleyblue@lemmy.world ) English19•1 year agoI’m certainly no grammar freak and English also isn’t my native language but this deives me insane… Same with your vs you’re… it’s soooo easy…
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English6•1 year agoSame here. I think some people just make it a habit to type/write wome words incorrectly.
Ashralien ( @Ashralien@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoI pressed my break to stop the car…
Atemu ( @Atemu@lemmy.ml ) English2•1 year agoYour correct about that
Bored Stonerian ( @Gigate@sopuli.xyz ) English19•1 year ago“Should of” is evidence of someone who never, ever reads.
_n9 ( @_n9@lemmy.ml ) English3•1 year agoI’ve seen “should of” in a book before. I think it was house of leaves, that had a bunch of them in it but it was only from one characters perspective if I remember correctly, so it might have been a stylistic choice. Still recommend the book though.
RedundantObsession ( @RedundantObsession@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoI have that book, but never read it. Too many foot notes, for one, some of them could of been chapters by them selves! (Sorry)
Is it a “correct” or easier way to enjoy the book? Is it meant to be “different” in that way? I’ve only heard good things about it, so really would like getting to it. My go to time wasting social media is no more a part of my life, so now at least I have the time…
bnfdhfdhfd ( @bnfdhfdhfd@lemmy.world ) English15•1 year agoPeople who say “should of” makes me want to loose my mind
TWeaK ( @TWeaK@lemmy.ml ) English5•1 year agoRight on queue.
SpezCanLigmaBalls ( @SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world ) English13•1 year agoDamn I should of known this
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English7•1 year agoDownvotersCanLigmaBalls
Izzent ( @Izzent@lemmy.world ) English5•1 year agoDownvoted 🥵
AvaddonLFC ☄️ 🤘 ( @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoOh shit
Tyr-Raidho-Othala ( @Tyr_Raidho_Othala@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English4•1 year agoDamn, and here I thought Redditors were the only ones who couldn’t detect a joke
SpezCanLigmaBalls ( @SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world ) English5•1 year agoLmao right? This is obviously a joke
Exi ( @Exi@lemmy.world ) English11•1 year agoI could care less.
s38b35M5 ( @s38b35M5@lemmy.world ) English2•1 year agoMy in-laws and I have a Signal group where we share fun spellings and pronunciations. We call it “udder mayham.” It’s fun.
I could care less.
This one is popular.
TurboDiesel ( @TurboDiesel@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoudder mayham
That’s an eggcorn right?
ewe ( @ewe@lemmy.world ) English1•1 year agoI could care more or less.
nieceandtows ( @nieceandtows@lemmy.world ) English11•1 year agoCrazy thing is, it’s getting widespread acceptance, and will probably accepted as grammatically correct in a few years.
Kabe ( @kabe@lemmy.world ) English10•1 year agoA bit like how putting “would” in a third conditional if-clause has become standard in US English (“We wouldn’t have been late if we would have taken a taxi”).
I know language evolves but it doesn’t stop my left eye from twitching whenever I hear it.
axtualdave ( @axtualdave@lemmy.world ) English3•1 year agoNot until the definition of the word “of” changes. It is not a synonym for the word “have,” nor will be anytime soon.
Perhaps, when speaking, accent, mush-mouthed laziness, or plain ignorance will confuse “should have” and “should of”, but one is objectively correct, and one is not.
erisir ( @erisir@lemmy.world ) English10•1 year agolanguage is full of idiosyncrasies like this (my favorite is an ekename -> a nekename -> a nickname. see Wikipedia). it’s perfectly conceivable that should have would be fully re-analyzed in speech like that, so the proper form of the verb to have would become of after should
Chaser ( @Chaser@sopuli.xyz ) English7•1 year agoSame deal with the word “Apron”. It started out as napron, so people would say a napron which turned into an apron
lenguen ( @lenguen@lemmy.world ) English7•1 year agoGolly, I should of known that
Black616Angel ( @Black616Angel@feddit.de ) English5•1 year ago- Golly, eye should of noun that
terwn43lp ( @toxicbubble@lemmy.world ) English7•1 year agoshoulda