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  •  Die4Ever   ( @Die4Ever@programming.dev ) English
    16•1 year ago

    I had such a hard time explaining to someone today that there is no universal set of Lemmy rules/politics and you can run your own instance with literally 0 rules

    people have forgotten that things can exist outside of the few billionaire/trillionaire closed source walled gardens they’ve become so reliant on

      •  Binzy_Boi   ( @Binzy_Boi@lemmy.ml ) 
        4•1 year ago

        I was recently sharing Lemmy to some people and how the entire Reddit blackout is stupid considering everything the platform has done in the past and the mindset of the CEO.

        Someone brought up Voat and they were lamenting how that failed, and I decided to check out the WayBack Machine captures for it, and Christ, nothing but antisemitism and racism.

    •  SkyNTP   ( @SkyNTP@lemmy.ml ) English
      2•1 year ago

      I’m a nerd and I’m here because Reddit has forsaken the nerds and is treating its user base like cattle to be herded. I guess most people want to be herded. That’s fine for them, but I want something more, where we make our place for ourselves, to our own liking. Not so that some investors can get richer. I suspect many of you are here for similar reasons.

      I would like to contribute, and have the skills to, but unfortunately no time at the moment. For now I am mostly watching to see how things develop, but sooner or later I may just jump in if I find things are moving too slow.

  •  spirit   ( @spirit@beehaw.org ) English
    13•1 year ago

    Update 3: @dessalines@lemmy.ml did state that they (singular) disagree that a genocide is taking place.

    Update 2: My conclusion

    Update: So I dug around a little deeper, and found that

    On another topic, there are rumors circulating that we are fascists or supported genocide. These claims are completely false, and like most viral twitter threads, are coming from a single Mastodon user on a personal vendetta who didn’t provide any sources. Such slander doesn’t deserve any response and is best left ignored.

    Update: More info about @dessalines@lemmy.ml

    •  andobando   ( @andobando@lemmy.ml ) English
      10•1 year ago

      Nothing here says he’s a fascist. His “genocide denial” stance stems mostly from the idea of being anti-capitalist and not trusting US-centric sources. Its not entirely without merit. Noam Chomsky for example is accused of the same thing for the Pol Pot genocide, though at the time he was right for the same reasons – accusations started flying in the US based on completely banal sources.

      I used to be like this, its not entirely harmful. And in any case, I don’t give a shit about his politics. We should be thinking about how to separate peoples politics from the platform, and the work hes done on Lemmy does exactly that.

      •  OrangeSlice   ( @14specks@lemmy.ml ) English
        2•1 year ago

        Noam Chomsky for example is accused of the same thing for the Pol Pot genocide, though at the time he was right for the same reasons

        It’s also a valid opinion to criticize Chomsky for his reaction to the Cambodian genocide.I can’t recall all the details of how things went down, so I have no comment myself, but I do have other criticisms of him.

        It doesn’t make him a fascist, or a Nazi/Nazi sympathizer. That would detract from what I have to say about the people who actually are, since that’s a separate conversation. Same goes for the devs perhaps (but that’s also a separate conversation).

      •  GarbageShootAlt2   ( @GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml ) English
        2•1 year ago

        Noam Chomsky for example is accused of the same thing for the Pol Pot genocide, though at the time he was right for the same reasons – accusations started flying in the US based on completely banal sources.

        You’re giving Chomsky’s version of the story, but it’s such a weird story because one of the only communist projects Chomsky ever spoke in favor of was easily one of the worst ones (along with Peru), ones that even hardcore “tankies” disavow. Like, wasn’t this the motherfucker that said the dissolution of the Soviet Union was a victory for the “left”?

        Granted, there is misreporting on Cambodia, which started when it was contemporary and continues to this day, but that misreporting is mostly on the magnitude of the crimes committed, not the basis of calling them crimes (i.e. they were still awful).

        Anyway, Chomsky is a shitty left-neoliberal [PDF]

      •  Slawtering   ( @Slawtering@lemmy.ml ) English
        1•1 year ago

        It is extremely harmful when people like them go around non-tankie left wing subs and eventually gain control through nefarious means and eventually transition it into yet another tankie propaganda sub. Or when they moderate a supposedly general left wing sub but any criticism of authoritarian communism gets you muted and called a liberal, eventually allowing their propaganda to seep through to regular socialists as any criticism is shot down. /r/GreenAndPleasant is guilty of the latter.

        It’s not really the politics but the way power hungry people get.

    •  gk99   ( @gk99@kbin.social ) 
      5•1 year ago

      See, it’s all this stuff that really makes the

      Such slander doesn’t deserve any response

      statement feel very Steve Huffman to me. It very clearly does deserve a response because the problem doesn’t end with just saying “nope lol that’s not us” and people like me have to go digging through all this bullshit just to figure out the facts: they believe anti-China news and similar is U.S./media propaganda and will moderate opposing viewpoints with “Orientalism” bans and similar. That’s not a hard statement to type, and if this viewpoint is in good faith then I struggle to see why they refuse to just say that and consistently resort to “if you don’t like our moderation policy feel free to join/start a different instance!” without ever actually clarifying the moderation policy. Even lemmygrad pretty much says outright “if you like capitalism, fuck off.”

      •  ram   ( @ram@lemmy.ca ) 
        2•1 year ago

        I mean, dude’s not CEO, he doesn’t control the instances. He does own a very large instance, but I don’t think it’s even the most dominant instance post-redditting.

        I disagree with his views, though I will admit to some sympathy on some aspects (not the genocide stuff), but ultimately, he’s just a dude who makes this software. He doesn’t own it, he doesn’t have a monopoly on its control, and really, the entirety of the Fediverse could, if he went full Huff, say “fuck you” and defederate his instance. That’s the power of a distributed service. Heck, your own instance, kbin.social, could lemmy.ml at any time and it’d have little impact overall.

        Even were I to concede to him being “Huffman-like” (which I do not agree with), I don’t think he’s actually relevant enough in the real-world usage of the software to care about as far as that goes.

        •  GarbageShootAlt2   ( @GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml ) 
          3•1 year ago

          though I will admit to some sympathy on some aspects (not the genocide stuff)

          I mean, no one is supporting a genocide or speaking in favor of one, and the US has a documented history of using atrocity propaganda that is completely without basis. Probably the most powerful thing about that particular genre of slander is that it is taboo to denounce it for fear of looking like a “denialist” in the manner of a Holocaust denier, allowing the west to cynically exploit the generational trauma of a genocide it subsidized in order to degrade the reputations of its opponents on the imperial periphery.

    •  Faresh   ( @Faresh@lemmy.ml ) English
      2•1 year ago

      None of what you linked supports any of the claims that they are a genocide supporter or a fascist, if that’s what you tried to show (in fact you proved the complete opposite on the latter).

  •  Christian   ( @christian@lemmy.ml ) English
    13•1 year ago

    It’s upsetting to see the shit-talking because I imagine reading that nonsense is emotionally draining, especially when you’re already stressed out with a billion things to do. I’ve seen you guys active in the lemmy community for years and you’ve always been wonderful. I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates the work you two have put in and are currently putting in. I’m really happy that your project is starting to catch on.

  •  raubarno   ( @raubarno@lemmy.ml ) English
    11•1 year ago

    For the past three years dessalines and I have been funded to work on Lemmy full-time by generous support from the NLnet foundation. These donations are paid out when we implement certain new features. But now we are busy answering questions, reviewing pull requests and urgentlyfixing problems. That means we are unable to work on the milestones agreed with NLnet, and won’t receive payments from them.

    :(

  •  SummerIsTooWarm   ( @SummerIsTooWarm@lemmy.ml ) English
    9•1 year ago

    Thank you and @dessalines and other contributors for your effort. It must be really overwhelming to suddenly have so many new people using lemmy. Being overloaded is to be expected in these circumstances. Please make sure that you don’t overwork yourselves now and set limits on how much work you do.

  •  wiki_me   ( @wiki_me@lemmy.ml ) English
    7•1 year ago

    For us maintainers (dessalines and nutomic), it has resulted in an endless stream of questions and notifications, which is impossible to keep up with. Previously there were 5 - 10 Github notifications per day; now they have risen to over 100 daily.

    That is what i was worried about, Feedback for developers probably correlates with the number of active users , more users mean more feedback (github issues and comments) and more stuff to read, I thought this might not be a problem because i looked at mastodon and didn’t see a lot of issues getting opened in a day, but it’s the comments that could be the real problem, unless you will improve your funding and start hiring more people (even temporarily hiring freelancers) things will probably get worst and you will lose a lot of good feedback.

    We are increasingly reliant on user donations to pay our bills. These donations currently add up to 1500 Euros per month, which is not even enough to pay minimum wage for the two of us. Hopefully more users can consider donating, so that we can put our full attention to making Lemmy better for everyone, and possibly add more developers to our worker co-op in the future.

    looking at liberapay , patreon and opencollective my calculation says you are getting about 4465 dollars (2714+217.58*4.345+806) when this comment was written , that’s about 0.15 dollar per active user (assuming about 28K monthly active users).

    For comparison beehaw has about 3069 monthly active users and got this month (6/1/2023 -> 6/17/2023) about $3,461.60 ( 1.12 dollar per user, probably better then reddit for most of it’s history).

    So i am pretty sure the problem is with getting funding (most people are not aware of the option to donate, or/and are not convinced or incentived to do it). Lemmy should work on it’s conversation rate.

    If you are interested, i worked for a while on a guide to help fund open source and got some good feedback on it, maybe you will find it useful.

    •  maegul   ( @maegul@lemmy.ml ) English
      3•1 year ago

      From what I’ve seen, the fediverse generally is doing a rather poor job of normalising donations from users. If you have some expertise or experience in this domain, and are willing, I’d urge you to just get involved and gather people or whatever you can to create better tools or design patterns or strategies for this.

      I suspect there’s trepidation from developers to get to “pushy” with donations and so turn off their user base, and yet they don’t really no how to go about it well and so it just becomes a lost issue when in reality it is central to a “free” fediverse.

      I also worry that getting this right earlier rather than later is important. As people join the fediverse, they absorb the culture, norms and design language of the place. The earlier donations are just a normal part of things, the sooner they’re actually normalised.