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    Only 41% of Republicans say gay or lesbian relations are morally acceptable, according to Gallup. That is a 15% drop from 2022, the largest single-year change since Gallup began asking the question. Democratic approval also fell from 85% to 79%.

    I’ve always said that ultimately the only people we can rely on are ourselves, the queer community.

    • Ive had a large amount of people lately telling me about reaching across the aisle and “killing them with kindness” etc.

      It’s like why. These people have no interest in listening or engaging with us in a good faith way. We have to advocate for ourselves

      • The people who talk about kindness are centrists. They’re the same people who want compromise between the left, who want rights and protections for citizens, and the right, who want to demonize and murder people. Do not tolerate centrists.

            • The US Libertarian Party is really rather removed from libertarian parties of other natures or typical libertarian ideology. As far as I can tell the major difference between being US Libertarian or Republican is that Libertarians actively do not care if they’re hated. Notoriously, Penn Gillette divorced himself from libertarianism because the Libertarian Party got too obnoxious for him.

              Typically, Republicans trying to distance themselves from Republicanism pretend to be conservative independents. Bill O’Reilly has asserted such as has others on the FOX News cast. (Tucker Carlson, maybe? I wonder if it’s a FOX News editorial guidelines to assert party neutrality, even as they were giving Trump softball interviews or letting him rant on the phone for 60+ minutes at a time.)

          •  Wren 🪐   ( @wren@lemmy.ml ) 
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            100% this. My parents live in a red-ish county. They’re very liberal themselves but constantly go on about how lovely people are up there and how they’ll really help you when you need it

            That’s all fine and dandy, but I’m sorry I can’t help but see them as people voting against my rights

    • Please keep in mind that the demographic they’re talking about don’t do any critical thinking; they just parrot the latest hate-fueled diatribe from Fox/Newsmax/OAN/CNN. This is how conservative “politics” works in the US. If they aren’t oppressing people, attacking workers, veterans, women, or minorities, and leveraging tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor, they’re busy stacking the deck so they can in the future.

    • The GOP jump seems notable and steep, but the Democratic dip feels like it’s in line with the normal noise and variance that you get with a reoccurring survey.

      https://news.gallup.com/poll/507230/fewer-say-sex-relations-morally-acceptable.aspx

      You’re going to get normal peaks and valleys with a reoccurring survey. The respondent pools are never identical year over year. And with progressives, who skew younger and don’t answer phone surveys, you’re going to have even more noise.

  • This was always the point of the “groomer” rhetoric and the attacks on trans people; the total removal of rights for LGBTQ people. Just like assaults on abortion access, where the point is to eventually remove all women’s rights.

  • Link to the study and infographics https://news.gallup.com/poll/507230/fewer-say-sex-relations-morally-acceptable.aspx

    And here is the historical data chart

    My 2¢ as someone who runs a lot of sentiment surveys…

    I could be wrong, but the Dem dip feels like it could be normal survey noise. It seems to go up and down about 4 to 5% from the historical trend line. Also, progressives are kind of a bit more of a noisy respondent group. You have less old folks, less land lines, less people with the time / energy to talk to researchers.

    The GOP dip though… that looks like it’s abnormal compared to the historical trend line.

    • As heinous as their child predation and corruption of office have been, war profiteering, bonded labor exploitation, global pollution, suppression of harm assessment science and pushing deadly addictive pharmaceuticals all put their immorality at an exponentially higher scale.

    • Let’s not forget the time they attacked our country on Jan. 6. Republicans are traitors to America. And on basically every other choice between good and evil they’ll choose evil every time, whether that be about treason, environmental protection, democracy, women’s rights, any kind of minority right, the economy, even the fucking metric system, they always choose the worst thing.

      It’s almost like they’ve been a fifth column working to destroy us from the inside all along.

  • Anyone who is a Republican at this point is actively supporting the white power / Christian nationalist movement and the fascist takeover. That is to say, they’re in support of the purification movement and genocide whether or not they personally believe in the culture war or are a fiscal conservative loyalist.

    43 years of failed fiscal conservative policy only served to accelerate the Republican party toward fascism and the Trump takeover of the GOP during the 2015-2016 primary. So it essentially was fascism all along.

  • I’m not surprised. They can’t win at anything else, so they create an artifical wedge issue to splinter multiple coalitions of voters while simultaneously making it more difficult for them to vote. This makes the republican party stronger despite their support being largely anemic. Gerrymandering doesn’t help, but democrats don’t vote in high enough numbers.

    They will continue to pry away women, queer people, and POC while simultaneously shouting that “voting won’t do anything, why even bother?” To standard groups. And young people will buy it and think the only way to change is through protests, not voting.

    There. I just disassembled the republican playbook in 5 minutes. Watch it work.

  • In the survey conducted last month, just 41% of Republicans said that gay or lesbian relations are morally acceptable, a 15% drop from 2022.

    So, 59% ambivalent or against.

    Given 73% of red team adherents strongly believe in God therefore have strong religious adherence, we’re still trending better than expected.

    Of these, given the outsize skew toward red team from Evangelical Protestant and Mormon groups, it should be unsurprising a party with a strong representation of outspoken religious bigots is skewing toward bigotry. Disappointing, sure, but unsurprising.

    Independents who say same-sex relations are morally acceptable has remained steady in recent years, with 73% expressing approval in 2023 compared to 72% the year before, according to Gallup.

    Independents showing a detachment from a given team’s trend change is always good to see.

    Overall, 64% of Americans still say that gay or lesbian relations are “morally acceptable,” including 79% of Democrats and 73% of self-described independents, according to the Gallup poll.

    Americans have come a long way since 2001, when just 40% of respondents to the same poll expressed approval of same-sex relations.

    And we’re still trending far improved from where we were in the early days of the acceptance movement.

    • They claim to believe in God but they just believe in money and fuck everybody else. One cannot be a Republican and a moral individual at the same time. They’re incompatible at the most fundamental level.

  • The question is worded in terms of morality, not acceptability within society. I might find non-veganism immoral, but I rarely mention this fact to others, and while I have lived a vegan lifestyle for almost 7 years now, I make no suggestion to others on the subject unless prompted directlt in conversation. If many Republicans feel that same-sex relationships are immoral, this may primarily impact their attitudes towards their own lives and not how they see those of others.

    Furthermore, less than 50% support doesn’t mean over 50% direct rejection. Plenty of individuals don’t know what to think and will let anything happen as they drift through their lives. Thus, this statistic alone isn’t enough to conclude that most Republicans are against same-sex relationships.

    • I think this is actually pretty clear and useful information on Republican support for same-sex relationships - what-abouting between ‘moral’ and ‘acceptable’ isn’t useful here, particularly when you take this research in the (very important) context of recent lawmaking around rainbow communities.

      • My point is mainly that it does not mean that over 50% of Republicans want to put gay people behind bars, which can easily be concluded from something like this. I think it represents a general attitude but isn’t a concerning statistic on its own.

        Your comment on the context of current legislation is a good way of conceptualizing the data, but nonetheless I don’t think that 43% acceptance is bad. Adding in probably 90%+ of acceptance from Democrats, the average is still well over 50% in most areas, so saying that a characteristically anti-LGBT group is anti-LGBT is not too concerning.

        Either way, it’s obviously important to be aware of political trends, and I don’t want to discourage a high level of awareness. The swift erosion of rights in the US is cincerning enough for me to start learning German with a general idea of moving to Switzerland.

        Thank you for commenting.

        • I don’t think anyone made the argument they want to out someone behind bars because of this post.

          It’s dishonest to say that they wouldn’t, perhaps, support ending marriage equality and rights. Is that not bothersome? It’s really upsetting to see you downplay and side speak a very serious issue.

          Dehumanizing leads to being alright with doing any number of things to someone. These numbers reflect them stepping towards that.

  • At this point I’d take bets on when the first news stories like “Republicans declare any *-sexual relations immoral”. Homo, hetero, cis, LGBTQ+, asexual, metrosexual, whatever. Anything regarding penises, vaginas, and anything “inbetween”.

    It cannot be that far in the future anymore.

    • To Republicans it’s about loyalty over principle. Everyone who is part of the movement gets the benefit of doubt while anyone else is an enemy.

      Of course this hasn’t stopped infighting within the Republican party, so they’re now factioning and fighting among themselves as well, each sect claiming to be the true base of the Republican party.

        • Whenever we can

          So far, Republicans are happy enough to stress-test the mutual loyalty doctrine with obnoxious officials embarrassing the integrity of their office, pushing / voting for odious bills that are poorly written and that overreach, or saying the incitement-to-violence and bigotry / exclusionist rhetoric out loud.

          To clarify, there are no good, public-serving Republican subdivisions today: GOP and conservative values since the 1960s have pushed for policy that has led us to where we are now, where precarity (when not poverty) is so pervasive that Mussolini-wannabes and purge politics (culture wars) are popular. Every conservative alive who’s been voting either to cut social safety nets, cut taxes or elect officials to do so have bought tickets to ride this train. (Not to mention stock in the proverbial railroad company). The never-Trumpers and OG fiscal conservative Republicans are essentially members who wish there was still more altitude from which to plummet, and the impact point wasn’t so close.

          So, it’s more that no-one wants to take responsibility for the consequences of their own voting histories, now that the train is rocketing forward at high speed, so they’re blaming each other.

          But yeah, whether we meme this up to wedge the factions further apart, or find additional controversies with which to divide republicans, or even encourage factions to splinter and submit their own rival candidates to elect instead of Trump / DeSantis, we are doing good work to give US democracy (lower case) time to sort itself out.