kbin.social was the first thing on the recommended list.
Awesome! Though I guess we should probably start thinking about spinning up new instances to handle the load if Reddit actually implodes entirely.
I will be thrilled if we end up with some experienced Reddit mods running communities or instances of their own.
I would welcome them to mod my community with open arms ! I hope we see some of them come over
It will be an interesting time for sure. I hope it can work out in a way that skilled moderators can be compensated for their efforts. It seems like donation-supported instances for niche communities isn’t too unrealistic right now, though that doesn’t solve the volunteer labor problem. Cleverer things will probably become possible as the technology improves.
That’s already the case, e.g. lemmy.dbzer0.com
I’ve been trying to attract other reddit mods as well but success has not been great
Speaking for myself, I’m enjoying the break!
For the first time in forever I find myself actively participating and engaging. Over on Reddit I really just ended up using my account to moderate and nothing more. I adore those communities, and the teams I moderated with, but I actually find myself enjoying the forum atmosphere again.
Some of the /r/ExperiencedDevs mods are running the programming.dev instance and most Star Trek-related subreddits moved to startrek.website, so it’s already happening.
Served 13 years in Reddit Penetentiary, just joined here, hello
We beleive in second chance here so welcome !
Yeah, the question though is if you believe yourself to be rehabilitated and ready to enter civil society
Civil? Fuck you!
I’m just joking. Are we doing /s here?
I’d like to think that we don’t need it for now but with the migration continuing we might need it soon so let keep it not far
I mean. That would be the response to the reference I was making haha
Of course not! That why i stay on the internet
Fledditors unite!
They weren’t all bad years, but the marriage soured over time.
Congratulations. Takes a bit of getting used to, but fun stuff!
We should recommend people sign up on some of the various kbin instances, listed here: https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list
My instance only currently has 8 registered users so I know I can take on some more people to help spread the load. People don’t need to sign up for mine specifically though, we just don’t wanna overload kbin.social
thanks for the list of the kbin instances! Hopefully we can migrate our accounts someday. Joining kbin.social at first has been helpful to me to not have to go through that growing pain of not being able to see many communities/magazines
Yeah no problem! I think that’s the link we should be passing around to people instead of flooding kbin.social (if we can). I’ve tried to populate my instance with all the top popular communities from other instances (including Lemmy) because I know that lack of content is a turn off for instances other than the “main” ones.
I think there needs to be an easier way to see communities/magazines across aggregators because I see the lemmy browse sites for communities won’t show any kbin magazines, which I think will only hurt the point of decentralizing but being able to access all the content in the fediverse.
I’m not sure if kbin actually suffers the same way, because I’m on kbin.social which I’m guessing just already has all the current lemmy communities added. But if there’s a new lemmy community, and no one added it to kbin.social (how would they find out?) then no one will find out if this lemmy community blows up and becomes really popular right?
I’m somewhat of a greybeard, I joined Kbin in the old times when there was only kbin.social. A whole week ago. Looking forward to account migration too, just for load-balancing.
- bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 9•1 year ago
How’s resource usage? I hear kbin is heavy on RAM
On average, it looks to be less than 2gb of ram at the moment. CPU and RAM usage obviously will go up as I have more users, but it’s not bad at all at the moment. I’ve been pleasantly surprised tbh. I am also completely prepared to scale the server up if I get more users on my instance.
Edit: just a follow up, looks like I can scale my instance to a maximum two ways,
“cpu optimized” up to 48 vCPU and 96gb of ram
“Memory optimized” up to 32 vCPU and 256gb of ramI’m a long way off of the max though now, my server is only 2 vCPU and 4gb memory for now
- bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 5•1 year ago
I’m running a lemmy instance and using about 700mb, up from 500mb before I had any users (though I have maybe a dozen active users lmao)
But I’m not using much CPU at all though. 5% average on a 2core VPS VM. 4 gigs as well. I can scale up a bit and still afford it personally. After that Ill have to ask for donations, and if not enough stop registration.
The scaling is from my cloud provider, hopefully I won’t have to scale up to the max (looks like it’d be like $1300/mo)
700mb of ram isn’t bad at all. Yeah I’m using like 30% cpu on a 2 core right now. Kbin definitely uses more resources than lemmy but I think it has a lot more going on in the tech stack
Looking at the recent Docker Compose commits, kbin should scale horizontally until it hits limits of postgres.
Its a really good candidate for kubernetes, if you deploy on AWS/Azure and use AKS/EKS with Azure Database/RDS you will be able to flexibly scale far beyond those limits.
I have been meaning to learn Helm for ages. This seems a good excuse.
Unfortunately I thought I’d be brilliant and run the bare metal version of kbin.
okay the only thing is, I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to keep making instance names that don’t start with kbin.___ because then if kbin/lemmy really do take off, it would be so hard to google search for them. You can’t do the site:kbin.* search if those instances with different names make magazines/communities and you can’t find them with that google filter
I don’t necessarily disagree, I don’t see it happening though unfortunately. The whole idea with federation is for people to make their own instances or to fork the software from the original so they can do their thing. The whole idea being “freedom to do what you want.” Telling people what to name their websites/instances likely won’t fly with the instances owners
that’s fair, since the instance owners are hosting for us. The only thing is, I feel like the users might not know about this. I didn’t really think about it until a little later that oh yeah, there is no [search for something “fediverse”] google search, and we’re encouraged to join new instances and for the most part think of them as just servers to build the fediverse. I know I shouldn’t try to box the fediverse ideas like reddit, but I am finding it frustrating that the decentralization is having these cons.
I think we just need more tools to help with that. Like website to show all communities across all kbin and Lemmy instances or a place that we can advertise instances for new users. The way things currently are certainly makes it difficult for discoverability (even for experienced fediverse users it can be difficult to discover new stuff, you don’t know what you don’t know)
I do see them adding a page to see everything, and it definitely could help new users find communities
What is the difference between kbin and lemmy?
They are two different types of software that can access the fediverse. Check out lemmy.ml and kbin.social for instance to see the differences. They can both talk to one another and see posts from each type of software. (Kbin can also see posts from mastodon which is kind of like Twitter) I’d say check both out and see what interface you like better. Since they both can share posts with one another you really aren’t missing much by choosing one over the other.
I feel like federation let’s this basically be what many want reddit to be, a platform by the userbase, for the userbase.
Awesome, more users is good!
Kbin is so nice and seems more stable than lemmy. I spent all of yesterday on a lemmy account with a lot of loading errors and all of today on kbin and not a single error! Well done to the devs.
You’ll get a couple but they’re usually super temporary 503s so it just feels like the Reddit of yore
That’s excellent to hear! I’ve been following the progress of KBin closely. The big thing I’m waiting for is mobile apps
@hariette@tech.lgbt is working on a client that is (currently) called Kmoon.
It might be renamed soon, but I’ve signed up for the beta and am currently waiting for an Android build 👀
I think the name has been all but finalized to be Artemis.
i’d LOVE to switch from using Apollo for reddit to Artemis for lemmy tbh
On the plus side, kbin now has a PWA, and it works pretty well.
Jerboa for Lemmy works fine for me :)
Part of it is that Lemmy instances are dealing with a major influx of new users and it’s causing server issues. I decided to avoid that and the defederation drama and fired up my own instance. I’m kind of curious if I could use another server to run a kbin instance and just have it be kbin.captainapathetic.cfd instead, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work, considering doing it for Mastodon too.
Yeah understandable, I‘ll give the lemmy account another try when this maybe calms down a bit. Which, considering the big Reddit App death is happening on the 30th may be a while lol.
Own instance is a cool idea to deal with that as well, since for one user even a raspberry pi should be enough or so I have heard, maybe I‘ll try it if I get bored.
yea really either kbin or lemmy is fine, to me it seems more about what works best for you, hell some people are fine with using mastodon and just dealing with the jank of reading threaded posts there because they only want to follow a few communities. Also yea I’m using a cheap VPS with 2 vCPUs, 2GB RAM, and 40GB SSD storage and it is just fine for a single user instance
I’m pretty sure I read that kbin.social is running on 2 vCPUs and 4 GB RAM so you should be extremely fine with that as a single user!
Divert more power to hull integrity!
They are still coming through!
Reconfigure the deflector dish for an inverse tacyon stream!
This is great news! Cheers to everyone who’s making Rexit possible.
Do we have a magazine for new words?)
Love Rexit ❤️
It’ll be interesting to see if this changes the playing field for social networks in any significant way.
Excellent news!
It’s not worth staying on at this point anyway. The people that remain are largely assholes. You can basically see the reason that protests don’t work as a macrocosm, because most users now are just bitching that “wahh the blackout only hurts users”. No different to people complaining about climate activists who block highways, or trans right activists who get blamed for “being too loud and annoying”. Protests don’t work when solidarity simply doesn’t exist because most people are just selfish, short sighted idiots, and that’s basically the userbase that remains over on Reddit at this point. I can’t think of a good reason to stay and interact with those kinds of people.
There are also lots of apologetic mod posts that are like “we reopened because we don’t want to lose all our hard work and be replaced by someone worse, that is not what’s best for our community so we’re reopening”, the ignorance and arrogance of such statements is mind blowing lmao, but trust Reddit mods to not see the wood for the trees.
“Protests don’t work” is a weird take on this. No political action is an unmitigated success, movements take time to build momentum. I dunno, try to cool it with the misanthropy. This has gotten a ton of media coverage, built the legitimacy of the fediverse, and forced Reddit to act to break a strike. Not to mention that every step of enshittification makes arguments against corporate controlled social media more compelling in the long term.
Theyre giving in because they dont want to lose their sweet mod power
Really happy about this, hope it truly happens. Finally a social in the true meaning of the word.
I’d say this is for the best of us.
Even the existing moderators have started to acknowledge that Reddit is no longer a platform for the people, and it was just a way for Spez to make money all along, even saying that the years of content can be marketed and sold.
First on the list. Sweet.
I find it to be a way better solution than Lemmy for various reasons.
What’s the best/least obnoxious way to suggest to communities who haven’t brought up migrating yet that they should consider it?
There’s like 3 subs that if they migrated over, I’d happily just stay here forever and never go back.
