European researchers said Thursday that the the start of June saw global surface air temperatures rise 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels for the first time. That is the limit governments said they would try to limit global warming to at a 2015 summit in Paris.
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It can be bad to fly around in a private jet and to eat beef at the same time. Just because someone else isn’t walking the walk, that doesn’t make it meaningless for you to do so. Not so much the private jet example, but when a lot of people try to absolve themselves of responsibility for market factors driving climate change, they point out a handful of enormous corporate entities doing harm. The problem with that is that those emissions are making things that we buy. That’s where eating less meat, especially beef, comes from. (Also it’s just unsustainable for people to eat as much meat as the average American, for reasons beyond climate change.)
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We could summarize your entire comment as you not wanting to do anything yourself because you can’t easily do everything yourself.
To rapid fire respond to the rest of it: investors are putting money into hydrogen and electric planes, they are putting money into lab grown meat, lab grown meat would not literally solve the problem (vegetables and grains would), and you can still enjoy life without eating a beef burger.
If billionaires controlled either of us, do you think I’m more under their control by eating vegetables and chicken patties than you are eating the beef they sold you instead? Do you think billionaires wouldn’t profit off of you flying in an airplane more? Do you think climate friendly transportation options like public transit and cycling stand to make billionaires more money than the likes of cars and commercial flights? I feel like we’re more under corporate control ignoring climate advice than we are following it.
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I really, really don’t understand why you’ve latched on to bugs. Nor am I barring people from eating meat. I don’t have that power. What I do have the power to do is to buy less meat myself, especially beef, to reduce the quantity of it that we produce by that much more, and I’m encouraging you to do the same, because I genuinely believe your quality of life is determined by more than how much beef you eat, and I hope you do too. Also there are a lot of good veggie dishes to eat that don’t involve soy at all.
Further enrichment of themselves would mean making more money. Billionaires really, really don’t care about what you eat unless they sold it to you themselves. Gates is not in the food business, and if he cares about what you ate, it’s also because of the climate. He will, however, care if you’re not using Windows or Bing or Xbox.
I work with computers all day, and even I don’t see the world as binary as you do. I eat beef too. Sometimes. I try to do so far less these days. It’s not a detriment to my quality of life in the least bit. If I’m at a barbecue and all they have is beef burgers, I’m not going to refuse them, but if I’m at a Burger King, I’ll get the chicken sandwich or the Impossible burger. Every serving of beef I don’t eat is better than choosing to do so instead. I don’t excuse billionaires for flying in private jets, nor do I have the ability to stop them in any way; they’re certainly not in this thread for us to talk to. So in lieu of that, I know that I can at least reduce some amount of climate impact by my choices in the market. That doesn’t mean it’s reduced to zero. It means it’s reduced.
If Gates is not in the food business, what is he doing being the single largest private landowner of farmland in the United States? He owned 269,000 Acres as of 2022.
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News to me. Fair enough. The rest still stands, and we know the environmental impact of these foods.
Except not eating dead animals doesn’t lessen a person’s quality of life.
This idea that you are suffering because you ate a piece of tofu is absolute nonsense and I suspect somebody who figured out how to use the fediverse isn’t this daft.
I agree with this sentiment, while I cannot control what others do I can make changes in the capacity that I am able. I also think that change drives markets, dairy alternative milks are a great example of this. So while our efforts may be small in comparison to the ones that others with more could make, it doesn’t make them meaningless and better yet acts as an example to those who are unsure or sitting on the fence.
I also think we may have reached a point where it’s just too late to debate what the best action is and it would be better to try and do something with the view to this being an emergency.
Where I live and how I grew up, farming is a way of life. I’m not sure what the numbers are but it seems to me pork is a very hot meat, from beginning to end. I probably should research that, and the only corporate farms near are fruit and vegetable. Corn is also very hot, and the industries and family farms rely on it. Economically, the most eaten meat in my area (very underserved) is chicken and fish, whether bought or raised/caught. And wild game, I guess.
The way I understood it last I saw it broken down was that fish and poultry are better than pork, and pork is way better than beef. Corn is corn because the government subsidizes it due to some very old economic conditions and no one ever got it off the books, and I understood that to have far more negative effects on our diets (high-fructose corn syrup) than on the climate.
Thanks, I’ll definitely look into it after chores and errands. I’m wondering if corn-sweat is considered…
I appreciate your consideration, hopefully we’ll see change at all levels!