- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) 48•1 year ago
CBS dude rode on it and did an interview with the owner.
So many red flags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29co_Hksk6o&feature=youtu.be
- Onii-Chan ( @Onii-Chan@kbin.social ) 42•1 year ago
Built with shit from Home Depot, controlled with a literal Logitech game controller, construction pipes as ballast… holy fuck, why would anybody agree to go 3.7km below the surface of the ocean in that deathtrap?
- mercurly ( @mercurly@slrpnk.net ) 35•1 year ago
Imagine paying $250k and the pilot pulls out the player 2 controller
- SevenSwell ( @SevenSwell@beehaw.org ) 12•1 year ago
Those Logitech controllers are actually pretty decent. I’ve had one for ages and it’s still going strong.
- Onii-Chan ( @Onii-Chan@kbin.social ) 5•1 year ago
lmao for real. Couldn’t even fork out for a first party controller.
- patchymoose ( @patchymoose@rammy.site ) 5•1 year ago
Jesus, is that really what they’re using? 😳
- Chrisosaur ( @Chrisosaur@startrek.website ) 15•1 year ago
Hope the pilot tried ⬆️ ⬆️ ⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️🅱️🅰️ start
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) English12•1 year ago
Made out of a fiberglass tube (catastrophic failure) and titanium end caps (cracks) instead of steel.
“Steel is real.”
- Pigeon ( @Lowbird@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year ago
Titanium cracks under pressure, I take it?
Or is the join between the cap and the fiberglass body potentially more of a problem?
- rustyspoon ( @rustyspoon@beehaw.org ) English14•1 year ago
Everything cracks under pressure, I’m not exactly sure what the above commenter is getting at. If the sub was steel the walls would be thinner. With titanium the walls would be thicker. Without knowing the dimensions of the material we can’t know whether it was built to high enough standards.
- ZapBeebz ( @ZapBeebz@beehaw.org ) English11•1 year ago
I mean, anything will crack under pressure. The biggest issue I see is uneven compression of the two materials coupled with different fatigue behaviors. I’d feel a lot safer if the whole submarine was titanium, honestly. Barring that, a couple inches of solid steel would be just as comforting.
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
I would be worried about both. Joining two very different materials that need to deal with crazy pressures seems like a really bad idea.
- PoopSnatchXtreme ( @BongRipsMcGee420@lemmy.one ) English3•1 year ago
bUt iT wAs dEsIgNeD wItH NASA iNpUt
- Uniquitous ( @Uniquitous@lemmy.one ) English1•1 year ago
As I understand it, titanium is strong but brittle. It won’t bend, but it will break.
- demvoter ( @demvoter@kbin.social ) 18•1 year ago
Wow, that is super sketchy. Now I am not at all surprised this happened. Hope that company has a shit ton of insurance.
- TheFroggy ( @xxxfroggyxxx@lemmynsfw.com ) English12•1 year ago
Also, I’ve seen so many Scientific deepwater vehicles that are thethered to the ship in some form. Why isn’t this thing hooked up to a cran yhat can get it back up if someone fails? I’d think passenger vessels should pass more rigurous safety standards than that.
Are they liable btw or is the “international waters” situation doing them any favor?
- CarbonIceDragon ( @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ) English11•1 year ago
I seem to recall a point in that CBS video where they had to sign a waiver stating among other things that they acknowledged it was an experimental vessel that is not certified by or approved any regulatory agency, so, yeah. I don’t know that I’d count on there being rigorous safely standards in that case
- ReallyKinda ( @ReallyKinda@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
There was a conspiracy that the original titanic going down was an insurance scam.
- NattyNatty2x4 ( @NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org ) 19•1 year ago
There’s also a conspiracy that my farts smell like rancid carrots because the government puts carrots up my butt while I’m sleeping
- AnarchoYeasty ( @AnarchoYeasty@beehaw.org ) 12•1 year ago
Why aren’t more people talking about big carrot? Wake up sheeple
- Uniquitous ( @Uniquitous@lemmy.one ) 2•1 year ago
Absolutely ridiculous. It’s huge international mega-corporations doing that.
- mobyduck648 ( @mobyduck648@beehaw.org ) 14•1 year ago
An easily disproved one too, as the sister ships weren’t actually identical. Also the recent scan on the ship revealed the hull number 401 on one of the propellers putting another nail in the coffin of the idea the ship is actually the Olympic.
- BlueDiamond ( @BlueDiamond@rammy.site ) 7•1 year ago
Oh i hate that stupid theory. That’s like top tier “looking for a conspiracy because we’ve got nothing better to do”
- FaceDeer ( @FaceDeer@kbin.social ) 11•1 year ago
They’re playing a really long game if so. Submarines like this weren’t even conceived of yet when the Titanic went down, it’d take tremendous foresight to have set this up.
- Storksforlegs ( @storksforlegs@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
It’s not a great theory. I’m pretty sure it would have made more money transporting passengers hundreds of times over
- BobQuasit ( @BobQuasit@beehaw.org ) 40•1 year ago
I find it strangely hard to care about the fate of a handful of multimillionaire tourists when hundreds of refugees died last week due to the indifference of the Greek authorities - and the media barely noticed.
- SSH_2023 ( @SSH_2023@startrek.website ) 3•1 year ago
Exactly- this is only news because their rich.
- CeruleanRuin ( @CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one ) 3•1 year ago
I am, however, enjoying the gradual turn from the search and rescue efforts to assigning blame and pointing out all the noted issues with the vessel that went missing - and the pushback from people saying it was completely safe.
History repeats itself.
- CeruleanRuin ( @CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one ) 2•1 year ago
We should all just be glad that James Cameron wasn’t on board. Imagine never getting another one of his movies because he Heart -of-the-Ocean’ed himself.
- Drew Got No Clue ( @ndr@beehaw.org ) 38•1 year ago
That’s sort of… poetic in a messed up way.
- FaceDeer ( @FaceDeer@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
Only if the sub remains undiscovered for ~70 years.
- mercurly ( @mercurly@slrpnk.net ) 6•1 year ago
Why did they name it Titan??
- TheOtherJake ( @TheOtherJake@beehaw.org ) 26•1 year ago
…officials are working to get a remotely operated vehicle that can reach a depth of 6,000 meters (about 20,000 feet) to the site as soon as possible.
The 5-person submersible, named Titan, is capable of diving 4,000 meters or 13,120 ft. “with a comfortable safety margin,” OceanGate said in its filing with the court.
but…after looking up on Wikipedia
…a wreck that lies over 12,000 feet (3,700 m) below the surface…
- neuropean ( @neuropean@kbin.social ) 22•1 year ago
I think they’re advertising the depth limit of the recovery vehicle, not claiming that the wreck is actually at 20,000 feet.
- TheOtherJake ( @TheOtherJake@beehaw.org ) 16•1 year ago
They probably need quite a bit of margin too if the craft accidentally got lost in a deeper area
- Pigeon ( @Lowbird@beehaw.org ) 15•1 year ago
It might be best practice to use a vessel rated for considerably deeper than you actually go, in case of some problem in the hull?
- Pigeon ( @Lowbird@beehaw.org ) 13•1 year ago
And/or it’s just a description of a particular vehicle they’re bringing that was most convenient to get there quickly.
- Projectionist ( @Projectionist@beehaw.org ) 12•1 year ago
It’s not like they’re going to say, “oh, don’t bring THAT recovery vehicle, it can go TOO deep.”
- FaceDeer ( @FaceDeer@kbin.social ) 13•1 year ago
Maybe they’re concerned that it no-clipped through the sea bottom and wound up deeper than the Titanic’s current location?
- Great Meh ( @great_meh@discuss.tchncs.de ) 23•1 year ago
What I dont get is that one of the passengers was a billionaire. He could have built himself the fanciest and safest vessel for a few Million Dollars with a whole naval operation attached. Of course thats a lot more than 250K but still nothing for a billionaire. These people are so out of touch and cheap its insane.
- TheTrueLinuxDev ( @TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org ) 13•1 year ago
It goes to prove that billionaires are just as gullible as the rest of the people, all they had was just money and assets, it doesn’t grant them wisdom or intelligence.
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) 13•1 year ago
That much money must give you incredible hubris: up until this point you’ve never had a problem that money couldn’t fix (or ease) for you.
Unfortunately, you can’t bribe physics.
- the_itsb (she/her) ( @the_itsb@beehaw.org ) 8•1 year ago
I’ve never thought about it this way before. You’ve given me empathy for billionaires; thanks, I hate it!
- interolivary ( @interolivary@beehaw.org ) 8•1 year ago
Goes to further prove that it doesn’t take brains to become a billionaire, I guess
- not_amm ( @not_amm@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
Why do that when you can cut costs, and how would it be possible for them not to ensure their safety? I don’t think they cut costs like the clients, I don’t think they would put lites at risk just for the sake of some extra dollars to the pocket of the CEO. /s
- TheLoneMinon ( @TheLoneMinon@lemm.ee ) 20•1 year ago
This shits going to keep happening as companies continue to rush commercialization of “Extreme” Travel.
- Uniquitous ( @Uniquitous@lemmy.one ) 1•1 year ago
I’m ok with sending a bunch of billionaires to the bottom of the ocean.
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) 14•1 year ago
https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate
This adds to the picture of utter recklessness.
At the meeting Lochridge discovered why he had been denied access to the viewport information from the Engineering department—the viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters. Lochridge learned that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to experimental design of the viewport supplied by OceanGate, which was out of the Pressure Vessels for Human Occupancy (“PVHO”) standards. OceanGate refused to pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters.
- ZapBeebz ( @ZapBeebz@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
What the actual fuck. They built a literal deathtrap
- pelotron ( @pelotron@midwest.social ) 7•1 year ago
So they wanted to die. Got it.
- CeruleanRuin ( @CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one ) 2•1 year ago
They said it was unsinkable!
- Dane ( @TheLastOfHisName@beehaw.org ) 15•1 year ago
Even if I had a stupid amount of money, there’s no way in hell I would pay someone to stuff me inside what seems to be an over-sized propane tank, then send me to depths where the water pressure is so extreme it will literally crush you.
Just…no.
- Kleinbonum ( @Kleinbonum@feddit.de ) 12•1 year ago
I particularly like the part where this specific submersible can’t ever be opened from the inside, because it gets bolted shut from outside.
- PoopSnatchXtreme ( @BongRipsMcGee420@lemmy.one ) 3•1 year ago
You wouldn’t want to open it down there, but also I don’t know why anyone would want to be down there in the first place.
- itsYaBoyNoodles ( @r3nder@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
You definitely wouldn’t. But what about if you made it to the surface in an emergency? I’d probably want to open it at that point. Someone mentioned how the sub reminds them of Apollo 1 and I tend to agree. So many poor choices were made!
- SaintLunatic ( @SaintLunatic@midwest.social ) 12•1 year ago
According to the article there is a metal eating bacteria that’s eating the titanic? And it the wreckage might be gone in a few decades?
That’s incredible
- Pumpki ( @Pumpki@toast.ooo ) 14•1 year ago
Now they probably have a new submersible to munch on…
- x86x87 ( @x86x87@lemmy.one ) 5•1 year ago
Predinner snack!
- intrnt ( @intrnt@lemmy.one ) 11•1 year ago
It has 96 hours of life support, I have faith.
- ZapBeebz ( @ZapBeebz@beehaw.org ) 25•1 year ago
I am hopeful, but not necessarily optimistic…if it lost power and descended below crush depth, no amount of life support is bringing them back.
- Pigeon ( @Lowbird@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
Someone else in the other thread about this said they have magnetically attached ballasts that can be jettisoned so the sub floats if power is lost.
It’s also designed to go down to the floor where the Titanic is. Was it also passing over deeper water? I’dve assumed they’d release it from a boat above the titantic fairly directly.
- TinyWhaleInSpace ( @TinyWhaleInSpace@beehaw.org ) 11•1 year ago
But apparently they cannot open the hatch from the inside, so even if they are on the surface, the oxygen will still run out if they’re not found.
Edit: here’s an article about this: https://www.insider.com/people-missing-submersible-deadbolt-screws-airtight-coast-guard-2023-6
I assume there is also no vent or similar to let air in?
- ZapBeebz ( @ZapBeebz@beehaw.org ) 11•1 year ago
Well with all that taken into account, the fact that we haven’t seen any evidence of the sub yet is a very bad sign.
- Tin ( @Tin@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
This may be true, but how much time does it take to surface to avoid decompression sickness if they are found? This, of course, assumes that the surface in the same vehicle.
- mobyduck648 ( @mobyduck648@beehaw.org ) 16•1 year ago
The inhabitants of the submarine aren’t under pressure directly like scuba divers are, they’re at atmospheric pressure while inside which is why the pressure hull needs to be so strong to resist the hundreds of PSI outside - it’s the pressure difference that crushes things in this case. If they are rescued there’ll be no requirement to decompress slowly as their bodies were never under pressure and at risk of the bends (when nitrogen bubbles form in your blood with often lethal results) to begin with.
The inhabitants of the Kursk during that submarine disaster were subjected to high pressure in their last hours but that was because the water slowly flooding their compartment compressed the air like a piston, this isn’t a concern for this submarine as it goes far deeper than the Kursk and the slightest fracture to the hull would kill them instantly in a violent implosion.
- Sooperstition ( @Sooperstition@lemmy.one ) 8•1 year ago
Who even has the vessels that can go deep enough to rescue them? This is the stuff of nightmares
- kingofmadcows ( @kingofmadcows@startrek.website ) 18•1 year ago
Gabe Newell, yes the owner of Valve/Steam, has an ocean research organization that owns a submarine designed to dive down to 10km, to some of the deepest parts of the ocean.
- CarbonIceDragon ( @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ) 11•1 year ago
To be fair, even if no vehicle that could rescue it from the bottom is available, that doesn’t mean that there is no use in a rescue mission if they don’t know where the sub is. For instance, it could have surfaced but had it’s communications lost, in which case they’d still need rescue, because based on a CBS video of the sub in question shared elsewhere on the thread, the thing doesn’t actually have a hatch and just has the front taken off and then bolted back on afterwards to let people in and out, and obviously is going to be airtight given it’s a sub and all.
- khalic ( @khalic@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
I hope there’s some kind of black box… what would be worse than it happenning again one day because we don’t know what happenned.
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) 9•1 year ago
BBC said that this sub (Titan) was damaged last year, and this was its first dive since being “repaired.”
I’m betting it didn’t have a black box, and we’ll never know if the “repair” was the cause.
- khalic ( @khalic@beehaw.org ) 10•1 year ago
Why do you put a 19yo in an untested death trap like this…
- StringTheory ( @StringTheory@beehaw.org ) 10•1 year ago
That is the worst part to me. This kid’s main interests were Rubik’s cubes and volleyball. At least all these old guys had an interest in the Titanic and knew what they were getting into.
I feel bad for the kid.
- ZapBeebz ( @ZapBeebz@beehaw.org ) 8•1 year ago
It’s controlled with a knockoff Xbox controller. I’ll bet the “black box” is a cassette recorder bought from Goodwill for $3 and then spray painted black
- SSH_2023 ( @SSH_2023@startrek.website ) 2•1 year ago
They are meant to run out of oxygen 11am BST on 22/6/2023
- samrocksc ( @samrocksc@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
I feel bad for the families of folks