TWeaK ( @TWeaK@lemm.ee ) English74•1 year agoPiracy explicitly is not stealing. Theft requires denying the owner of the ability to use the thing that is stolen. Copyright infringement does not meet this bar, and is not a crime in the vast majority of cases. Commercial copyright infringement is the only offense classed as a crime, which in a nutshell is piracy for profit ie selling pirated material.
14th_cylon ( @14th_cylon@lemm.ee ) English27•1 year agoPiracy explicitly is not stealing.
Piracy is attacking ships at sea and is usually done in order to rob them.
Uriel-238 ( @Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English17•1 year agoPiracy is midnight oyster and clam harvesting without a license to break the oyster cartel, making restaurant oysters and clams more available and cheaper to customers.
It is from this grand tradition along the US West Coast that the notion of media piracy rose, and much like the Golden Age of Piracy robbing the Spanish Silver Train, piracy is associated with snatching ill-gotten gains from those who don’t deserve it, sometimes benefiting communities that do. (YMMV).
egonallanon ( @egonallanon@lemm.ee ) English7•1 year agoThis is why you get a letter of marque to give you legitimacy. I’ve been letioning my government for one endlessly so I can attack Russian shipping in the balkans.
Uriel-238 ( @Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English4•1 year agoA letter of marque means you can find safe port at colonies of the issuing state so long as you are attacking its enemies (usually Spanish vessels during the Golden Age).
Oliper202020 ( @Oliper202020@discuss.tchncs.de ) English2•1 year agoYes it is
Narrrz ( @Narrrz@kbin.social ) 5•1 year agothat’s an interesting definition, and one that appeals to me especially as a fan of “harmless” theft (taking something that the owner will never notice is gone, nor be inconvenienced by the lack of)
TWeaK ( @TWeaK@lemm.ee ) 13•1 year agoIt’s literally the legal definition. Copyright infringement has never been theft. Media companies have been trying to change the definition of theft, though.
It used to never be a crime, only a civil offense. This means the rightsholder has to sue you, rather than the state prosecute you, but also that the burden of proof is “the balance of probabilities”, ie whichever side tips the scale past 50/50 with their argument, rather than “beyond reasonable doubt” which is more like >99%. However in the last decade many countries have introduced “commercial copyright infringement” as a criminal offense. Off the top of my head, in the US I think the threshold for that is like $1,000 or something.
It’s not about it being “harmless” but the fact that you’re not taking something away from someone. If I steal your laptop and sell it, you no longer have a laptop. If I copy data, you still have your original copy.
This is also why there’s a different crime for “joyriding” instead of just stealing a car. If you steal a car, you might argue that you were just taking it for a drive, and never intended to permanently deprive the owner. In that case it’s easier to convict you for joyriding instead of theft.
immibis ( @immibis@social.immibis.com ) 2•1 year agoPiracy is best compared to riding a bus without a ticket.
stappern ( @stappern@lemmy.one ) English26•1 year agoIt’s literally not stealing though :)
db0 ( @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English23•1 year agoDon’t make me tap the sidebar again…
001100 010010 ( @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English23•1 year agoSomeone: Photographs pages of a book in a book store
OP: “Hello Police? Someone is stealing a book!”
Batman ( @Batman@lemmy.ca ) English4•1 year agoNicholas Cage heavily breathing about all the people simultaneously stealing the declaration of independence
001100 010010 ( @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•1 year agoBrb, stealing some documents…
My evil plans are already underway. MUHAHAHAHA
TimewornTraveler ( @TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee ) English22•1 year agoaside: why can’t lemmy just let me expand the thumbnail without directing me to an external site
Dizzy Devil Ducky ( @AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee ) English12•1 year agoTo add onto that, on the Jerboa app (not sure about other apps), if I try to click on an image in a comment, it just minimizes the comment. I’d love to be able to click on pictures in comments, as well, and have the thumbnail expand.
CmdrShepard ( @CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ) English3•1 year agoThis one gets me every time.
Cethin ( @Cethin@lemmy.zip ) English3•1 year agoConnect does this too. It’s dumb. There’s not even a contextual long press option to open externally or anything. I’m sure it’ll come eventually, but it sucks as it is right now.
pocolaton ( @pocolaton@sopuli.xyz ) English16•1 year agoI don’t know man. Where I live the law says it’s not stealing. It says: legal to share, illegal to share for profit. On other words: legal to share, illegal to sell.
faintwhenfree ( @faintwhenfree@lemmus.org ) English4•1 year agoAnd where would that be?
Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English5•1 year agoWell…Where he lives… /shrug
pocolaton ( @pocolaton@sopuli.xyz ) English2•1 year agoEU.
Uriel-238 ( @Uriel238@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English16•1 year agoMedia Piracy is copyright infringement, which is totally not stealing.
The US Supreme Court taking content out of the public domain so that it can be reserved for private use isn’t stealing either, but it causes more harm than piracy.
Unruffled ( @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English14•1 year agoTalk about blowing smoke up your own ass.
platysalty ( @platysalty@kbin.social ) 11•1 year agoI honestly don’t care about the legality. Plus I come from a country where we have way bigger issues to deal with than piracy.
All I care about is coming up with ways to make sure my friends watch some of the stuff I recommend to them. Best way is still going “hey, check out this cool new show. Yes it’s on saltyflix”
Monologue ( @Monologue@lemmy.zip ) 6•1 year agothat is exactly where i am at as well, battling with absurdly high inflation is already hard enough i can’t pay for bajillion different streaming services or non indie games
worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year agoI’m living in one of those countries. I still use a vpn, but I don’t anyone here does besides me.
But the way I look at it is, the people so make these things are also so rich out at least have higher incomes than I do by a significant amount.
Why are you asking me for money? Don’t you have enough?
CALIGVLA ( @Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English10•1 year agoOr you could just not give a flying fuck about the moral and ethical aspects and go on with your life.
stappern ( @stappern@lemmy.one ) English12•1 year agoOr you could understand that you are doing nothing wrong and don’t drink the corporate Kool aid
Draedron ( @Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English10•1 year agoIf no one loses anything they never had in the first place it is not stealing
cacheson ( @cacheson@kbin.social ) 9•1 year agoThis meme is stealing.
Sneezycat ( @sneezycat@sopuli.xyz ) 6•1 year agoYou wouldn’t download a meme.
cacheson ( @cacheson@kbin.social ) 4•1 year agoYou wouldn’t shitpost in the policeman’s helmet
Luckily I’m behind 7 proxies
chicken ( @chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English8•1 year agoI am proud of pirating and I don’t get why people who also pirate would have a problem with that. Like you think it’s wrong and do it anyway, but think people who don’t think it’s wrong are cringe somehow? What’s wrong with standing up for what you believe in?
Peruvia ( @Peruvia@lemmy.ml ) English7•1 year ago“But I want to support those little poor billionares, who’s going to look after their livehood and ethical buisness?”
The more you pay for big brands, whatever product you buy, be it clothes, food, or any form of knowledge, the more you drive up the sales, the more you reinforce the idea that money is a tool only a few chosen are rightful of having, just like the riches and the labour of the many. (Buy from local producers as much as you can)
Ironically enough, pirating makes people more aware of what it consumes, what labor is and mostly to get to support creators directly for what they put out. You can’t steal from corporations, you only get back the unpaid /underpaid labour of many. Quality content and effort should be rewarded, so please support/help your creators in any way you can.
azerial ( @azerial@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•1 year agoI’m so split on this as a person who has dated (for a long while) a guy who works in wardrobe on film and TV sets. Yes i still pirate, but i also buy the things i love and appreciate. I know those sales go into his pay and unfortunately those billionaires pockets.
5 Card Draw ( @RedCanasta@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English7•1 year agoMore pirates vs pirates memes when it should be pirates vs executives