The main cloud services don’t even work natively (GoogleDrive, OneDrive, iCloud) basically the only mainstream choice is Dropbox. I tried to use Google Drive in Mint, and it’s a pain to get it to work, and usually it stops working after computer restarts.
Someone has a recommendation about how to handle these services?
If you want cloud storage I’d recommend Nextcloud as a service (I’m not affiliated with them, just a customer)
Works like a charm. You can even install plugins. Also, there are other companies that provide hosting so there is no vendor-lock-in.
You can use rclone
Rclone is awesome. Mega and PCloud got native clients that works great. Nextcloud is an alternative.
Google drive integrates simply into the file manager on Gnome for cloud storage. It doesn’t do offline file-sync between devices, however.
The Microsoft and Apple products don’t support Linux because… Microsoft and Apple.
I managed to get one drive working on linux, able to mount it onto the filesystem using rclone.
Yes, it’s often possible to get unsupported services working, but it’s rarely simple and it’s prone to breakage over time with changes to the system as well as to the service. I do not recommend it to anyone seeking a simple solution and I will not do it for someone I need to support.
rclone for cloud backup
Syncthing is pretty good. I’ve got a raspberry pi running it on my local network with an old usb hard drive I had kicking around and it works great
Most people I know who use Linux wouldn’t trust Cloud services cause that’s just storing your stuff on somebody else machine. You can self hosted service like Next cloud on a raspberry pi or just get comfortable with networking enough to setup VPN and ssh into your home computer from the net to get your stuff.
A huge part of disaster recovery is storing things in separate geographic locations. That’s not easily don’t with self hosting. If all my stuff is on a file server at my house and my house burns down then I’ve lost all my files.
While this is true, you can have a remote backup service that isn’t the type of cloud storage the OP seems to want (that is, which isn’t designed for editing individual files on the fly on the remote server, or synchronizing between devices). They’re similar, but not the same.
I’m mostly talking about the “somebody else’s computer” part in the comment I replied to. I don’t think it’s very feasible. I think self hosting stuff from home is awesome and think it’s a culture more folks should check out, but to really have a proper backup of files they need to be stored in multiple different physical locations and that’s not something that’s cost effective for most folks. What you’re talking about is still “someone else’s computer” so not different from the comment above.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year ago
A hard drive in a bank vault is separated enough that nothing short of a nuke will destroy every copy of your data at the same time.
Have fun going to the bank every time you want to sync.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
Multiple backup drives. Rotate every week or two. It’s not hard.
@JackbyDev @besbin my personal solution for this is an encrypted 16tb external storage drive I keep in my car. A copy of my server drive is made once a week. not perfect solution but doesn’t require much effort on my part
I walk through the woods on one side of my house, there is a shovel behind some trees I’ve marked. Then I go back to my house, down the other side of my property until I get to the river. Then I dig in the river bank until I get to a plastic bag. Double wrapped of course.
Inside the plastic bag?.. a collection of 1gb USB thumb drives and a note pad.
In the note pad?.. an index cataloguing what is backed up on each thumb drive.
I guess it depends where you live, but I’d be worried about heat/freezing.
@ebits21 yes this is true I mean I live in the UK so we don’t get extremes neither way, but maybe during winter I should keep the drive at my partners place
Where do you keep your car?
@JackbyDev in a parking space on the other side of the road from my house, not far but deals with the whole house fire problem
Just sanity checking 👍
Well the thing is, I’m still not comfortable in opening up an attack surface like that. I would much rather pay for someone else to do that. Preferably someone who really knows what they are doing and keeps an eye on the constantly evolving security environment. There’s a bunch of other stuff happening in my life, so finding the time to play server admin isn’t that easy right now.
There are many professional Nextcloud holsters, for example: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share
Thanks for the link. Recently, I’ve been looking into nextcloud providers, but somehow I missed this company.
If you need the online storage (or whatever self hosted service) just for yourself (and maybe some few people), it’s very simple to set up a Wireguard instance. My server doesn’t even show open ports to the outside world, but with Wireguard I can access my git, wiki, etc in my home LAN.
I haven’t really tried any of the second tier Solutions like Tailscale. But when you have more users or a more complex environment, that could help.Still, sharing stuff with “outsiders” would still be tricky, I guess - at least I haven’t found a solution…
Uh what? Lots of Linux users also use cloud services.
Pretty easy to use something like Cryptomator with almost any service and maintain privacy.
Self hosting can be great; it can also be a pain.
Seafile works well on linux
Indeed. Quicker and more stable than Next loud or OneDrive for me.
Mega and syncthing work perfectly fine for me
Because it’s a disproportionate amount of effort to natively support an extra OS (particularly one as fragmented as Linux), especially one with such a small userbase that largely isn’t interested in using proprietary cloud services in the first place because of data privacy and security concerns.
Obviously not all Linux users are super worried about that stuff (I mean, I use Linux and have a google pixel), but on average the Linux userbase is way way more aware of that stuff than most users who just want their photos backed up without having to worry about it.
Syncthing has never failed me.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 5•1 year ago
My recommendation is to not use them, for privacy reasons.
Mega (Mega Upload) ain’t bad, 30gb free. Worth a look!
I used them all, so I get plenty of cloud storage for free
the file manager integration with gnome and google drive worked well for me.
I also say that pCloud is possibly the best option. Simple install, free storage, and a cheap lifetime purchase for more storage. My only complaint is that they don’t support aarch64 yet, but I don’t need think there’s really anyone that does yet so I’m living with offline backups.
Too many horror stories with pDrive about people getting locked out and never seeing their data again, and their terms lay it out that they own what you upload not you. That scared me away from pDrive.
I moved to kDrive and it has done everything I need so far. It’s a little slow to transfer if you are in the US since their servers are in the EU, but that’s a minor complaint and only a hurdle I had to worry about once during initial sync… It’s hardly noticeable with everyday changed to individual files.
The Google drive integrations in dolphin / KDE work well enough but it doesn’t have an option to “sync” folders in a local drive like the windows client did, and that was my main use case. Same with dropbox, you get one sync folder on your main OS drive. I have 8 storage drives in my computer and I have more data that needs synced and backed up than will fit on my main OS drive.
While I’ve never had a problem in my 5 years of use, I only really used it as an automatic phone backup that my laptop could then pull the files in and work with. Not a lot of use, or devices. I don’t doubt that pCloud has their privacy issues, and I don’t doubt the horror stories. Like I said I’m not using my account anymore, and would love to try Nextcloud if I had the time to figure it out and the money to buy the hardware to do it with.