- z3n0x ( @z3n0x@feddit.de ) 28•11 months ago
alert(“nyyeehh”);
- ℕ𝕠𝕓𝕠𝕕𝕪 𝕆𝕗𝕗𝕚𝕔𝕚𝕒𝕝 ✔️ ( @unreachable@lemmy.my.id ) 10•11 months ago
furiously clicking non actionable button
- Xylight (Photon dev) ( @Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev ) English28•11 months ago
Great, the programmer humor has inherited “JavaScript bad” from Reddit.
- ursakhiin ( @ursakhiin@beehaw.org ) English68•11 months ago
That’s not a Reddit thing. That’s just a thing.
- sarsaparilyptus ( @sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social ) 8•11 months ago
JavaScript is an abomination and real jobs don’t use it
- Xylight (Photon dev) ( @Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev ) English14•11 months ago
I hate js, but are ya sure
- sarsaparilyptus ( @sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social ) 4•11 months ago
That’s just an urban legend
- woozy ( @woozy@beehaw.org ) 12•11 months ago
uh i use it every day at my very real job?
- sarsaparilyptus ( @sarsaparilyptus@midwest.social ) 11•11 months ago
You can’t fool me
- Feyter ( @Feyter@programming.dev ) 2•11 months ago
Hey stop being sarcastic! This is a serious programing community here… Wait.
- Blackmist ( @Blackmist@feddit.uk ) English6•11 months ago
Things can be both bad and useful.
- 𝓹𝓻𝓲𝓷𝓬𝓮𝓼𝓼 ( @princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English2•11 months ago
whoa whoa whoa
how can we have a flamewar if youre going to be all reasonable like that
- rothaine ( @rothaine@beehaw.org ) English23•11 months ago
“Sometimes there is a better choice than JavaScript”
We call it TypeScript
- bjornp_ ( @bjornp_@lemm.ee ) 10•11 months ago
I heard they’re looking to add typing to JavaScript in a very similar style as TypeScript. Basically running TypeScript in the browser without
tsc
.There’s at least a proposal which I hope they’ll continue with.
- I Cast Fist ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) English21•11 months ago
Wrong, annoying animations was Flash’s thing. Javascript was made for annoying popups and alert boxes
- float ( @float@feddit.de ) 3•11 months ago
Also for these animated status line texts that were supposed to show what’s being loaded currently.
- asyncrosaurus ( @asyncrosaurus@programming.dev ) 12•11 months ago
I was there for the first wave of SPAs, I even learned angularJs and Knockout. It did feel like a major atep forward, being able to make highly interactive applications. However, things quickly went off the rails when the tools stopped being about managing heavy client state, and became the default for everything, even when it ment using JavaScript to build extremely basic functionally browsers did natively with html, but extremely worse(e.g. navigation). The modern Web really is a victim of hype and trends.
Unless your app needs to work offline, or you have to manage dozens of constantly changing client side data points concurrently, your site doesn’t need to be a big heavy js framework. My rule is if it looks like Google Maps, you need a SPA. if it looks like Gmail you need REST/HATEOS. and if it looks like google’s mainpage, you need a server side rendering.
At some point you might see the light, and go back to making your websites simpler, but Im not hopeful. Until then I’m building the majority of things with HTMX and alpineJs.
- Feyter ( @Feyter@programming.dev ) 10•11 months ago
I thought that’s what GIF was created for… Even if the original introduction of it is saying something completely different.
- redcalcium ( @redcalcium@lemmy.institute ) 7•11 months ago
Say that to the madlad who wrote a virtual machine in js that can boot Linux and Windows: https://bellard.org/jslinux/
- I Cast Fist ( @ICastFist@programming.dev ) 6•11 months ago
Something something he could, something he should
- wia ( @oxideseven@lemmy.ca ) 6•11 months ago
Doing Odin Project now and the constant shiting on JS online is sort of crushing my motivation. 😫
- ursakhiin ( @ursakhiin@beehaw.org ) 21•11 months ago
JS is fine. But as with any tool it’s not the best for every scenario.
The flak JS tends to get us mostly because of the rise of popularity is Node.js leading to backend JavaScript beginning commonplace. which it’s overall a poor choice for backend when compared to many other languages as the strengths that JS has are more tailored to frontend.
- Kayn ( @HKayn@dormi.zone ) English8•11 months ago
Don’t let it get to you. This is mostly just a circlejerk by people who don’t even use JS themselves.
- glad_cat ( @glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•11 months ago
Honest answer: JS is a shitty language and I despise it. BUT you can learn a ton of stuff with that, all the features (loops, conditions, variables, etc.) that exist in other languages. You will hate JS one day too, but right now it’s good to learn, and when you’ll switch to other languages, you’ll be happy you learned something.
So yes, JS sucks, but no, it won’t be useless for your future. Keep on working, programming is really fun.
- voxel ( @vox@sopuli.xyz ) 5•11 months ago
css can do animations, and it’s much more performant then js. I hate how over-used JavaScript is on “modern” websites.
some websites are even straight up unusable or don’t display anything with js disabled…- dukk ( @dukk@programming.dev ) 5•11 months ago
Some websites, JavaScript is necessary for doing things without overloading a server. Mostly SPAs/PWAs and such. I’m using Voyager for Lemmy right now, which needs JS, but it gives me a great experience.
But yeah, JS is often overused. Luckily, with new technologies coming out like Astro and HTMX, we should hopefully start seeing less JavaScript on pages that don’t need it.
- MonkderZweite ( @MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ) 4•11 months ago
Still wayting for a native solution to AJAX.
No, not Java beans.
- voxel ( @vox@sopuli.xyz ) 2•11 months ago
htmx just generates js too
- dukk ( @dukk@programming.dev ) 5•11 months ago
However, it uses a lot less JS. It’s only a few lines of JS to replace an HTML element, but a lot more to parse a bunch of JSON and then alter the HTML to reflect that.
- MonkderZweite ( @MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ) 2•11 months ago
Like, not creating annoying animations.
- dukk ( @dukk@programming.dev ) 2•11 months ago
- MonkderZweite ( @MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ) 6•11 months ago
Huh, page displays nothing without js.
- hellishharlot ( @hellishharlot@programming.dev ) 1•10 months ago
Just typescript at that point
- hellishharlot ( @hellishharlot@programming.dev ) 1•10 months ago
PHP dynamic sites, Ruby on Rails, or MVC in whatever language works for you is really what we should be doing